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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:07:17 -0500
From: Alton Hall <ahall@ma*.da*.co*>
Organization: Delise, Amedee, Bertrand, Hall & Hidalgo
To: kirvine@sa*.ne*
CC: Walter Starck <wstarck@oz*.co*.au*>, pH <heseltine@ea*.ne*>,
     cavers@ca*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, rebreather@nw*.co*
Subject: Re: Mocow on the Hudson - the "----"of Death
Katherine V. Irvine wrote:
> 
> Walter, one has to ask, "Why are the Starks of the world so interested
> in me keeping my mouth shut"? The answer, Walter, is well understood by
> anyone who has observed me for years, and you can ask the widows and the
> fatherless kids for the short version.
> 
> The fact is, Walter, the diving is nothing to me. It is for me as
> walking or breathing is for you - just that easy, and it means nothing ,
> nothing at all. Do it right and it is a walk in the park. I like to
> point that out .
> 
> It should be that way for everyone, not the "high risk" behavior that
> you guys envision.
> 
> Walter Starck wrote:
> >
> > George,
> > I am not really accusing you of anything but I have pointed out some issues
> > which are implicit in your own posts.  What you reveal of yourself in your
> > attacks on others is far from impressive.  You would be vastly more
> > effective if you kept your mouth closed and let your diving speak for
> > itself.
> >
> > Walter Starck
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Katherine V. Irvine <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > To: Walter Starck <wstarck@oz*.co*.au*>
> > Cc: pH <heseltine@ea*.ne*>; cavers@ca*.co* <cavers@ca*.co*>;
> > techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; rebreather@nw*.co*
> > <rebreather@nw*.co*>
> > Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 8:35 AM
> > Subject: Mocow on the Hudson - the "----"of Death
> >
> > >Walter, I hear you are accusing me of being gay, and Heseltine is
> > >accusing me of being homophobic. Which is it? Try neither.
> > >
> > >I also hear you accuse me of "enjoying body recoveries". I can assure
> > >you this is not the case, but I can tell you that I get paid for this
> > >kid of thing when I have to do it, and I would entertain a volume
> > >discount if you were to get back in the rebreather business.
> > >
> > >
> > >Walter Starck wrote:
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: pH <heseltine@ea*.ne*>
> > >> To: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > >> Cc: cavers@ca*.co* <cavers@ca*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > >> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; rebreather@nw*.co*
> > >> <rebreather@nw*.co*>
> > >> Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 11:32 PM
> > >> Subject: Re:The (L)edge of Death
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >In a message dated 8/02/98 8:36:02 AM, pH wrote:
> > >> >>So you want scary and caves?? Then come along with our dive team to
> > >> >Vanuatu ...>Ask the l>ocal, who was dragged and left for dead on a
> > ledge -
> > >> >by a huge >saltwater crocodile.>
> > >> >
> > >> >At 12:25 PM 8/02/98 +1000, Walter Starck wrote:
> > >> >>Pete..There are no salt crocs in Vanuatu....
> > >>
> > >> I don't recall saying anything about salt crocs in Vanuatu.  Where did
> > this
> > >> come from?
> > >> Walter Starck
> > >
> > >
> > >
I disagree. We know how many divers have died after accepting the
fallacy promuglated by the training agencys. What we do not know is how
many lives George's refusal to be silence has saved. Quite a few I would
guess. I recently spoke with the buddy of a dead diver who told me that
they had finally convinced their instructor to let them do it right.
Unfortunately it was a weekend too late. Let George talk, the worst that
can happen is that we err on the side of caution. alton
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