Hello, Will and thank you for this entertaining, albeit somewhat disjointed
post.  You are a continuing source of amazement as you continue to
pontificate on subjects you obviously have no knowlwdge of.  From what I
can see, your only ability with regards to rebreathers is a large wallet,
and as we have previously determined your knowledge of cave diving is zero.
 Since you have never done a dive like these on OC, SCC, or CC, why would
you pretend to know what the usdct may or may not be able to do.  At this
time, it would seem wiser to let their track record speak for itself as we
at the WKPP will continue to do for our efforts, meager though they may be.

The thing I can not figure out, is who you are mad here, George or JJ.  If
you have issues with them as individuals, why don't you call them.  I think
you have both of their numbers and I am sure they are eager to speak to
you.

I am eagerly looking forward to your next post,
Jess

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> From: William M. Smithers <will@tr*.co*>
> To: Katherine V. Irvine <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> Cc: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; cavers@ca*.co*;
rebreather@nw*.co*
> Subject: Re: GUE. "Smear Campaigns, Gilliam, etc
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 10:55 PM
> 
> 
> On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Katherine V. Irvine wrote:
> 
> > Divemaster, ANDI for gas, IANTD for Supervisor ratings with Mount as my
> > certifier, 
> 
> Hmm, I could quote here, but I won't bore the general public.
> 
> 
> > I was a TDI Mix instructor until Gilliam booted me for
> > discussing Rob Palmer's death in an unflattering fashion, 
> 
> make that a *paper* TDI instructor, as you yourself have
> spend endless flames emphasising - that you got your
> cert by merely asking.  This is Hypocrasy to an unbearable
> level.  We all know this had nothing to do with Palmer's death.
> 
> > and I am
> > currently enrolled in a NAUI OW instructor course with Larry Coyne as
my
> > instructor. 
> 
> Great, I'm sure you will make an *excellent* OW instructor.  ;)
> 
> >   I have no intention of ever teaching diving to anyone.
> 
> Good, because JJ is infinitely more articulate, and while
> he has a certain reserved judgemental smugness that I would expect
> from the WKPP (and a presumptious, young, idealistic Vegan), he still 
> out-refines your ass by a mile - no question. Granted, his Vegan 
> beliefs pre-select more people than is
> reasonable, but you still have to respect the guy.   George,
> I seriously suspect that JJ, like most of your team, simply
> respects the fact that you are the permit holder, much more
> than the fact His Holiness is the one who holds that permit.
> There is very little explanation otherwise.
>  
> > As you all can see I still dive wherever
> > and whenever I want and will do so as long as there is water. You can
> > not beat my reality with a stick , a magazine, or a techdiver list.
> >
> 
> Yet to be seen.  We're all watching your current John Henry-esque efforts
> to rage against the inevitable encroachment of technology upon
> your little copper mine.  Like it or not, the USDCT has your ass whupped
> on the technology front, and I expect that will continue until
> you manage to surpass Bill Mee's (et al) '60's mentality toward Systems
> Design.  By all accounts (except yours, of course), their high-tech
> mapper is exceeding all expectations, and with the saturation
> habitat they've got in place, six, eight, ten, or even thirty 
> hour bottom times are entirely within reason.  Face it, even *those* guys
> will manage to eat your lunch when they've got 30 hours of
> bottom time to expend.  Your recent pleadings to the various lists
> for support do nothing but back up the fact that you're running scared.
> 
>    
> >    I can tell you all this. Somebody faked me on "hotmail" and sent
this
> > around to our sponsors, my boss, and to others. This I am suing the
> > service provider for, as there were damgages. This may lead to one of
> > you out there. Carmichael was equally damaged in this, and he is also
> > suing. Until this is resolved, there will be no email with "George
> > Irvine" on it from any source. It will all come from my family and
> > friends. 
> 
> George, that wouldn't stand up in court for two seconds, which
> I'm sure you'd know if you didn't have a Florida Yokel for
> a lawyer.
>  
> >    I realize that there are several big time dive instructors out there
> > who have a tough time with me. However, there are enough people out
> > there who have learned our methods to keep all of these guys honest
with
> > or without me. That is what they are so pissed about, and that is why
> > they focus on me.
> 
> No, they focus on you for the simple reason that, at the the end, you are
> a rude prick.
> 
> >    You can't beat me because it is not "me", it is "us" - everyone who
> > sees the reality. Face it and quit diverting to me.
> > 
> 
> People divert to you for a reason - you are a magnet for
> abuse.  I think the "deep air" message has gotten across
> quite well, and for that, you are to be congratulated - it
> was about time.  But that point is obvious, here in the
> late '90's, and as far as I can tell, you are just railing
> against the inevitable machine.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Will 
> 
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