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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:05:04 -0400
From: Glenn Butler <butler@li*.co*>
Organization: Life Support Tech
To: Wahoo2001@ao*.co*
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Subject: Re: Another NE Death
Dear Steve and all Tech Divers,

As one of the guys that that actively opened  the "Pandora's Box" of mixed gas
diving to the "Recreational Community" I , after a long silence, have something
to say:

1- The final cause of death on Harvey is not in yet- until that occurs, or even
actually means anything to a primarily laymen medical diving group is something
else. In the meantime, we are all doing a real disservice to our industry and
our
avocation through conjecture and self-serving, targeted comments. Stop it, for
in
the end, we are all in this together. Grow up.

2- The movement of the sport diving community into "commercial mixed gas
techniques" (Initially, and primarily for profit, to date) could have great
promise by virtue of  the self-contained nature of this extension of the well
established  technology.

But, the majority of you continue to miss the point. You guys did not invent
mixed gas diving, you have only been "loaned" this trust, a stewardship, a gift,
from all those before you, and you are now expected to take it this old
technology to a new self-contained level SAFELY.

Frankly, {and with some real exceptions},  you guys are blowing it, by
in-fighting, misplaced egos,  too much profit incentive, all without the
willingness to create a meaningful International training standard not based in
profit, but truly to promote safer Tech diving.

3- If the "Technical Diving" community, were any larger today, you would be
enjoying the same standards we in commercial diving, NOAA, and NASA, have had
since our Mixed Gas beginnings and long before you. Almost without exception,
the
available "Certified & Sanctioned" Nitrix, let alone the Tri-Mix gas diving
programs now available to those with enough money are a true, and potentially
fatal joke. Get your act together now, or be ready for the Feds to regulate you
because you have placed greed above History.

4- Deep Air Diving is a killer. In my experience, as one of the most experienced
DCI treatment supervisors to date, there is simply no single greater denominator
for diving morbidity or mortality (permanent injury and death).

Those of you that actually survive a deep air dive (200FSW + Deep Air Survivor)
apparently have never had to experience the high CO2 levels caused by survival
exercise and the extreme nitrogen narcoses it produces. If you don't believe me,
next time you go diving down south and can see a buddy 50 yards away, swim as
hard as you can to them. Hold on tight, and see how disorientated you get as the
the CO2 reaches your brain.

If you are alone, up on a NE deep wreck and must perform survival exersize, you
are dead. Those before you have proved it. Deep Air is Macho Bull Shit. If you
need to go deep- Learn Tri-Mix Diving from one of the few Professional's out
there.

Don't bother to E-mail me unless you have a solution.

Better,  and safer diving to you all,

Glenn Butler
Life Support Technologies



Wahoo2001@ao*.co* wrote:

> death is stupid, but we all will get there. How do know harvey didnt die of a
> heart attack. This is all theory on how harvey died and what cause it. Yes
> boat captain have some influence on tec divers and we do use it to better the
> industry. Just like YOU WONT SELL SOMEONE OVER THE INTERNET ALL THE EQUIPMENT
> THEY NEED OR YOU CAN MAKE AVAILABLE TO THEM. MONEY TALKS AND BULLSHIT WALKS.
> As far as burying nice guys as there turn comes they will go, as long as I go
> last.  I'm to afraid to die.  I dont cry about regulations I work within them
> as most of us do.
> I will bring all that you mentioned up at the next EDBA meeting. Thanks for
> careing we all show our feeling in a different way. You have a tendency to
> strike out. I try a wait awhile before i run my mouth it may not make it
> better or right just my way.  harvey wasnt your cup of tea, but who is?
> your friend
> steve
> maybe next month we can have dinner you me jhank & janet. let me know what
> your schedule is at the shop so we cam make plans to come in.
> s



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