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From: steve@gp*.co* (Steve Orrell)
To: kirvine@sa*.ne*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Another NE Death
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:04:30 GMT
Organization: GPS Internet Marketing
=46irst of all let me set the scene; I'm a nobody, a tiny weeny little =
baby
diver, quite new to the sport.... someone who you'll delight in calling a
"stroke". One thing that I do know is that I am willing to learn and have=
 a
very open mind. I subscribe to this list to learn; nothing more.

I know that in my writing this I add my name to a long, and much more
distinguished list and I have no doubt whatsoever that no notice =
whatsoever
will be taken of my comments.

Now let me go on.

My apologies to Katherine because I'm fairly sure that she is indeed not =
the
author of this piece, but why the true author refuses to acknowledge =
their
work is beyond me. Rudeness is the reason that I would suggest.


Hi Katherine V. Irvine

On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:42:14 -0400, you wrote:

> The guy started with 30% helium on his first dive and then blew air on
> it, you blithering idiot. He died of terminal stupidity, like most of
> you probaly will. You guys are so freaking stupid that it amazes me =
when
> you live through a dive.

> Learn to do it right or stay out of the water. You idiots are cutting
> our throats along with yours. The slobbery, bullshit mixes, bozonic =
tank
> markings and the ridiculous convoluted stroke gear and thinking is
> directly responsible for the deaths.=20

Has it ever crossed your mind that you are as equally culpable in this by
your steadfast refusal to find a more successful means of educating those=
 of
us who are _wanting_ to learn?   (Bearing in mind how widely =
geographically
distributed the readers of this list are and are thus unable to get =
hands-on
exposure from others more skillful than ourselves.)

I would suggest that I am of the same mindset as a lot of people in that =
if
someone with your degree of knowledge and experience stands in front of =
me
and does their level best to do no more than belittle me then I will =
stand
face-on to you and ask "What gives you the right to be so witheringly
dismissive and demeaning?". In my book you have zero, I'll say that again
ZERO credibility and command ZERO respect; your phrase for me is =
undoubtedly
"stroke", my phrase for you is "absolute and utter wanker".

If you were not so wrapped up in gilding your own ego then it would be =
the
easiest thing in the world for you to reverse the carnage you describe by
disseminating your knowledge and skills. Others with the same level of
knowledge and skill are willing to do this, why not you?

Is it that you consider this type of action beneath you? I think not
otherwise you would not post so frequently expressing your exasperation.

I for one am more than willing to learn, to improve my diving knowledge =
and
abilities and this I will continue to do by listening to others and =
asking
questions, no matter how ridiculous these might seem to those more
experienced than myself. Yet in this I refuse to be spoken to as a piece =
of
dog dirt on the bottom of a shoe.

Are you willing to let me benefit from your experience without resorting =
to
nothing but insult and reliance on others to pass on their own knowledge?

The old "hard man / soft man" approach beloved of TV police =
interrogations
should have no place where education is the issue, when real peoples' =
lives
could be at stake.
=20
> Death by stupidity. You guys have that one mastered. And then you try =
to
> cover it up and argue about it: STUPIDITY.=20

I'm sure Forrest Gump would have said "Stupid is as stupid does" and you,=
 my
friend, are stupid enough to think you can educate by brow-beating into
submission.

Think again, please, for the good of us all.




Steve...
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