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katherine, just for my enlightenment please indulge me- what part of Teds explaination of the event appears to you as a cover up??? hank In a message dated 98-07-12 07:51:21 EDT, kirvine@sa*.ne* writes: << Subj: Re: Andrea Doria Death Date: 98-07-12 07:51:21 EDT From: kirvine@sa*.ne* (Katherine V. Irvine) Reply-to: kirvine@sa*.ne* To: scuba@md*.co* CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com Ted, you do not get it: this guy is dead, and you wnat to make excuses. He ran out of gas? Why is that, Ted? Did he get lost due to the practice of "progressive penetration" that the idiots up there use? By the way, let's see if we can get this Doria crap straight. Is it really a 212 foot dive or a 240 foot dive? Which is it , Ted. Is it a 30% trimix dive or does real trimix need to be used? I use more helium than that in my deco gas. Was the analysis of the empty tanks 30%, or is that the bullshit you guys are trying to pretend? Why 30%? What depth was planned? This sounds to me like the usual dive instructor cover up bull - this guy is dead, and the excuses don't count. All of you guys need to learn how to do things properly, and then teach that. Why is it that none of you will come oput with a truthfull story on accidents so that others can learn? Why ? The fadct is that I have seen some of the ridculous crap you guys come down here practicing, and I hear the riciculous crap you guys recommend, and I understand exactly why there are so many accidents. WHat I do not understand is why we can never get the real story so they can be prevented. I do dives that you guys can't even begin to understand on a routine basis, with several teams of other divers doing the same thing, and nothing seems to happen. Why is that? Keep in mind that we are talking EVERY level of experience, not just one set of players, and we are talking years and years of doing it to the absolute edge of the envelope. Ted Green wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 21:24:27 -0400 > > From: "Katherine V. Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*> > > > Can somebody enlighten us on the Doria Death this week? Skip the "diver > > error", and cut to the chase: > > On Wednesday June 24th Craig Sicola died around 12 noon after > surfacing from a dive on the Andrea Doria. About 30 minutes into the > dive he shot a lift bag which was tethered to the wreck by his > up line. About 7 minutes later his body surfaced. His main tanks > which had Trimix 16/30 were empty, and neither of his stage bottles > had been used. He was given CPR for 1 1/2 hours until the Coast Guard > air lifted his body from the dive boat. At no time did he ever regain > vital signs. Craig was neither a student, nor was this his first trip > to the Andrea Doria. The Trimix he was diving should have had an END > of about 130 to 140 for the depth he was at inside the wreck. He was > unfortunately diving by himself. > > > 1) DID WE HAVE THE AIR ON ON THE BACK, SIDE BOTTLE > > OF MIX ? > Graig was diving Trimix 16/30 with a stage of O2 and one of > EAN for the deep stops. > > > 2) DID WE HAVE THE USUAL STROKE GEAR, MAYBE A SET > > OF BONDAGE WINGS THAT DID NOT WORK WHEN THE > > GUY TRIED TO BRING UP HIS LOOT? > While I don't remember what make of wing he was using, he > came to the surface unassisted. The wing that he was diving > seemed to have more than enough lift to bring Craig and the three > dishes that were in his mesh bag to the surface. > > > 3) DID WE HAVE A LITTLE DEEP AIR FROM THE GET GO? > No. > > > 4) WERE ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS , STROKES, FAT SLOBS > > WITH PIZZA STAINED DORIA SHIRTS AND CAPTAINS > > HATS ON HAND? > There were no fat slobs on the boat. The Doria shirts were > not pizza stained (although one may have had a coffee stain). > While there were 4 licensed captains on the trip, I don't > remember any of us wearing a hat that said "CAPTAIN" on it. > As for "STROKES", well that seems to be more of a Florida > thing. > > > I will put money on this one sight unseen. All of the above. how about > > it, you guys are being real carefull not to tell these stories now, but > > we will find out. > > Katherine, I am sure you are a person of your word, I will > get you the name and address of Craig's next of kin so you can mail > them that money. > > While this was neither my charter nor was I on the boat when > Craig surfaced, I have or can obtain any facts that were not covered > above. Craigs death was unfortunate and while I will answer pertinent > questions regarding his death, I will not waste my time responding > to bullshit from cyber divers. > > Ted > > Ted Green (Owner) > Tidewater Aquatics (Dive Store) > Salisbury Maryland USA > Master Instructor SSI #178 > Trimix Instructor TDI #029 -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com> Received: from relay13.mx.aol.com (relay13.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.13]) by air10.mail.aol.com (v45.18) with SMTP; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 07:51:20 -0400 Received: from bighorn.terra.net (bighorn.terra.net [199.103.128.2]) by relay13.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id HAA12295; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 07:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (mail@lo*) by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) for id HAA16654; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 07:07:52 -0400 Precedence: bulk Errors-To: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com Received: from bighorn.terra.net (root@lo*) by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) with EXEC for techdiver id IAA29268; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:10:12 -0400 Received: from simba.safari.net (simba.safari.net [206.96.248.2]) by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) with SMTP for <techdiver@aquanaut.com> id IAA29260; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:10:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 1428 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1998 12:00:20 -0000 Received: from annex1-16.safari.net (HELO kirvine.safari.net) (206.98.157.18) by simba.safari.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 1998 12:00:20 -0000 Message-ID: <35A74928.775E@sa*.ne*> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:14:48 -0400 From: "Katherine V. Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*> Reply-To: kirvine@sa*.ne* Organization: DIR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scuba@md*.co* CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: Andrea Doria Death References: <199807052001.QAA19312@sm*.ez*.ne*> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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