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Katherine V. Irvine wrote: > Tom, you are a complete idiot: these buoyancy problems are due to the > unbalanced rig and in some cases the bondage wings that the tech > instructors have told these students to wear. I am told that your fine > agency forbids diving with aluminum tanks, even with a wetsuit, and > demands the silly wings. The instructor is at fault for overweighting > the students, and telling them that is how it is supposed to be. > You too must have confused me with Mount. I do not have an agency. And as a student, no agency could "force" me to do something I thought was stupid. If others can't exercise their own judgement, or don't have it in the first place, they should not be diving in the first place. > You can whine all you want - you are dead wrong, you can not explain a > single thing you do coherently, and you have no concept of the whole > picture. Obviously , the long list of deaths means nothing to you. > Typical dive instructor - do nothing , know nothing, big mouth, all > wrong, all the wrong answers, and the first to comment on anything and > everything with some street bum philosophy of life. I don't wine and I'm not an instructor. Never have been. You seem to be the adamant one who can't follow what it is I'm saying. > > > Thomas A. Easop wrote: > > > > Katherine V. Irvine wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > You tell me: if at least two of those dead people recently had weighting > > > and buoyancy problems, who is at fault? Who is at fault if this > > > ridiculous combination continues to be ENFORCED , even after the recent > > > spate of accidents. > > > > <snip> > > > > Kathy (or Ian): > > > > As I have said in private threads with you, the students are at fault. The > > students who take these classes are adult divers, presumably with experience. > > Buoyancy control is one of the last skills still taught in basic PADI beginner > > diving. If a competent tech student cannot be called upon to exercise their own > > knowledge, judgment, and skill of buoyancy control then there is a problem with > > the student. If a competent tech student is instructed to dive in a manner that > > they feel is dangerous (too deep/too heavy/too soon) and ignore all their > > experience and common sense, they have no one to blame except themselves. > > > > If they are not a competent student, do not have the knowledge, judgment, and > > skill that comes from experience then they do not belong in a tech class. If > > they find themselves in a class (say out of peer pressure, etc.), common sense > > dictates that the student realize before they are in the water that they are in > > over their head. > > > > Instructors have some responsibility, but ultimately its up to the student to > > decide to and conduct the dive. > > > > I've always conducted my diving at my pace, and at my discretion, using my head, > > and been responsible for myself. With an instructor or without. > > > > I think the agencies should include a test in the class at the beginning to see > > if the students are using their knowledge, skill and judgment. Have the > > instructor call the students to do something everyone knows would be too > > much-too soon or just plain dangerous. See if the students are still thinking. > > That should be lesson number one. Always think for yourself. > > > > Tom > > > > -- > > Guns and Armour of SCAPA FLOW > > 1998 Underwater Photographic Survey of Historic Wrecks > > http://www.gunsofscapa.demon.co.uk -- Guns and Armour of SCAPA FLOW 1998 Underwater Photographic Survey of Historic Wrecks http://www.gunsofscapa.demon.co.uk -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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