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I am new at posting at this site, so if I booboo, please bear with me. >"You tell me is this how you teach your students?" I have known John now for about a year and, have taken both Nitrox and wreck penetration courses from him and, am currently a student of his taking Advanced Nitrox and Deep Air. While to some of you this might seem like fairly mundane stuff (140fsw), I have found it extremely challenging. Now having said this, let me tell you a little about my self; I have been diving for about 10 years now and I hold certs from PADI, (Divemaster) NAUI, (Wreck Diver) and IANDT (EANx Overhead Environment and EAN). I also have close to 1000 dives, all of which have been done locally. I mention all of these things so that you have a feel for where I am coming from. One of the things that I have noticed from some of these posts regarding the tragedy in Florida, is that everyone is placing the blame for the death of this student on the Instructor; while the Instructor is responsible for his/her students, Isn't the ultimate decision to do the dive or not to do the dive the students? From what I have read, this lady was an experienced diver, and had been around a lot of different types of divers and instructors. With this in mind, would it have been unreasonable for this student to: A: Know that she might be getting into something that she was not ready or prepared for or B: Know that this Instructor was a schmuck?. I have been around a great deal of Instructors and I have a very good feel as to which ones are good and which ones are Bozos which, I avoid like the Plague. John Walker is one of the best Instructors that I have the opportunity to train with; he is very safety conscious and very blunt about things that can go wrong if you screw up or don't pay attention to what's going on around you. But, I have always believed that I (the diver), not the Instructor have the ultimate decision as to if I get in the water or not, if the equipment is not working properly, or I don't feel comfortable, I don't go in. Period. -----Original Message----- From: RLatulip <RLatulip@ao*.co*> To: techdive@ea*.ne* <techdive@ea*.ne*> Cc: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date: Sunday, May 24, 1998 9:06 PM Subject: Re: Instructors for "tech" agencies >In a message dated 5/24/1998 12:42:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >techdive@ea*.ne* writes: > >> Whitney, have you ever been certified by a technical agency? If not, >> were did you learn how to dive caves and mix? If so, which agencies > >How does Exley and Turner sound to you. > >> If one is to fear gas, deco and what ever the hell hoovery is (must be >> one of thoughs country terms) why would they want to involve themselves >> in gas, deco and hoovery? > >Fear of deco means you are so afraid of breaking you deco requirements that >you would rather let you dive buddy drown than take a bend hit. > >>I could of sworn that the dive was terminated due to problems that >>Jane was having. > >Interesting I heard the conditions were shit so they turn the dive. > > >>If a new dry suit is something that I should not dive with, than how >>long should I wait before I do? I personally do not care for BONDAGE >>wings but, are you sure that the one's Jane was diving with as well as >> the inflator were inoperatable? > >I believe the point here is that you don't stick a student on her first Trimix >dive in gear that she is not familiar with. Lets see, never in a dry suit >before, never been to that depth before, nerver on trimx before (with multi >deco bottles to handle), diving a comm unit rated for almost a1/3 the depth. > >> HUMMMM, how did the stuffed hose play a part in this? > >In the death itself probably nothing, but if I am having trouble breathing I >don't want to come up to my buddy and unwrap his hose first. I will just take >the reg in his mouth out of necessity. If he is already on the long hose all >he has to do his drop his head and breath. There is not a fight over a reg >with two' + of hose and everybody is happy. > >> Was the new dry suit to small?(i.e. not anough lift) > >I have yet to see an unconscious person inflate their own gear. > > > >>Why did you not refill your tanks, was it the cost? Jane was'nt going >> anywhere. This would seem by many to be alittle careless in >> itself. ( Oh! sorry. Im speaking for others, like Dan >> does). > >Considering what you are responding to this is begging the question. >Obviously they are well aware of their breathing rate and what they will use. >Can you say the same???? > >> If Dan only used half of an 80, was that a travel gas or a bottom gas. >> If it was a bottom gas, how come he only had an 80, and why is'nt he >> running his botton gas in his doubles? > > >Again begging the question!!! He had a deco stage as well. > >> That is amazing. You guys should start your own Technical training >> agency. Maybe start by slamming all the others and it may make it easier >> for you to get into the market. What do you say? > >I believe that this is in the process and will be called G.U.E. Although the >thought is not on market share but increased dive safety. As for slamming I >guess it is better if no one speaks out when they feel people are dying >needlessly. > >> Well Whitney, it is amazing that you know so much about this accident. >> We have alot of accidents out here in So. Cal.(rarely technical) and >> I'll tell you that recieving such information (all information) about >> them such as you have with Janes accident is very timely unless you have >> an inside. And if you do have a inside and speak to much about it to >> fast, certain people (folks) speak meanly to you (the officials). > >Dah do you fall out of bed this morning??? Did you read the last name??? Who >the hell do you think did Janes body recovery!!! > >> Last question(s), why are you as well as other team members so >> concerned with this accident anyhow? Your team is obviously not >> promoting technical education and hazes anyone other than WKPP members >> for having fun by way of technical dives and has no obligation to >> retrieve bodies. > >They were called in to do the body recovery!!! I guess that gives them the >right to be involved! The point is not that indivduals are doing these kind >of dives but that they are doing them in such a way as to beg an accident. > >First 300' ft dive (probably the first over 200'), first time switching deco >tanks out, fist time on trimix, first time to this depth with a comm unit. > >You tell me is this how you teach your students? > > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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