Tom,
This is why you "shoot to kill" when some idiot breaks into your house.
Dead men can't go to court.

Jeff


Tom Mount wrote:

> Dan
> I also know how serious it is to be a lynch mob and hang a man without a
> fair trial.
> At least regardless of the outcome all aspects will have been reviewed by a
> unbiased jury so to speak
> I guess you would have us put his head on a block take an ax and chop it off
> or do as you hinted you would like to do and beat hell out of him, without
> ever providing due process and review by his peers. Why waste time on an
> overall fact finding mission when your mind is already made up. The reason
> for this procedure is to limit me or anyone else from being able to take
> that exact approach
>
> Seems there have been groups throughout history that practiced this type of
> justice and killed millions of people just because they felt like it, Well
> two things one is my power is controlled by documents such as the QA manual
> and two even if they were not I support a system of justice that requires a
> fair and unbiased review of events. I may have my prejudices on some of the
> issues in this event but that is why it is not left in my hands alone to
> deal with. Like it or not it is a fair procedure and a just one.
>
> The instructor is not found guilty or not guilty without due process, the
> fact that on OW dives another instructor must be present(in charge) assures
> the safety of the students if a instructor is negligent and it also allows
> for more in water evaluation of the instructors skill level and dive
> planning capability as the students were trained up to this point by that
> instructor and are being evaluated by a different instructor. It also does
> not discredit the instructor and his repore with his students while an
> investigation is on going. What Dan do you feel is so wrong with this
> process. Opps never mind we know the answer everything, You would rather
> just take him out and shoot him and then see if any other material developed
> that may have suggested you did not need to shoot him
> Tom
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Volker <dlv@ga*.ne*>
> To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; kirvine@sa*.ne*
> <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> Cc: 'cavers' <cavers@ge*.co*>; techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Ocean
> Diving Inc. <divetek@oc*.co*>; Derek McNulty <scubascl@ga*.ne*>
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: reply to George
>
> >OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >Derrick is being allowed to be responsible for the safety of students on a
> >HydroAtlantic dive??????
> >
> >Can ANYBODY figure out the logic or the moral efficacy of this???
> >
> >Tom. Put your foot down. You CAN NOT ALLOW this, accepted proceedure or
> not.
> >Do you have ANY idea how this looks??? Do you have any idea how serious
> >IANTD will be effected if someone now in Derrick "care" has an accident????
> >Do you have ANY idea how the relatives and people close to Jane feel about
> >this???
> >
> >Do I need to book myself on the next trip I hear Derrick is on with
> >students??? I may just have to do this. If I show up, you  KNOW what I will
> >tell the students......You also know how much I'd love to have Derrick
> >attempt to "physically" cause me to leave :-)  Will you let it come to
> >this????
> >C'mon Tom.  Make an executive decision.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Dan Volker
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>On his teaching over the weekend he assisted Dan Mitchell with Dans OW
> PDIC
> >>course and he took a tech course to the Hydro with Jim Mims as the
> required
> >>in water instructor(responsible for the dive and students safety) as a
> part
> >>of Derricks limited teaching status, while the accident is being
> >>investigated.
> >>
> >>What long tale George, all I did was explain when he became certified as
> an
> >>instructor with IANTD
> >>
> >>Again I have not and will not  endorse or condemn Derrick , as that would
> >be
> >>undermining our QA board whichever stand I would take.  I have compiled
> all
> >>the info we can discover on the accident and it is being forwarded to the
> >QA
> >>board.
> >>
> >>Yes since the accident you and Robert have told me you went to his shop to
> >>do whatever .
> >>
> >>Now this is my last comment on the forum in regard to the accident and it
> >is
> >>more than I should state. So either accept that we are doing due process
> >and
> >>that all facts are being reviewed by the QA board and that they will come
> >to
> >>their conclusion based on all the info available or George you can simply
> >>ignore that due process is being done.
> >>
> >>Either way I'm out of here and I'm getting off all list for the next week
> >as
> >>I'm out of town all next week teaching a cave course and I certainly will
> >>not look at any of these list during that time
> >>
> >>Tom
> >>
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