Tom,
Could you please define or clarify "limited teaching status"?  
Thanks,
Jess

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> From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> To: Dan Volker <dlv@ga*.ne*>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Cc: 'cavers' <cavers@ge*.co*>
> Subject: Reply to Dan Volker
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 11:24 AM
> 
> Dan
> As explained on the list Derrick is on limited teaching status with IANTD
> technical courses until the investigation is complete.
> 
> The BOA-QA  (The QA board includes Billy Deans as the BOD rep) board will
> make the determination of any action. At this moment we still need the ME
> statement and one of the divers on the dive to turn in his report at that
> time all information will be forwarded to the QA board and they will
reach a
> conclusion. based on all the FACTS and statements which is already about
a
> four inch thick file.  So to answer your question the investigation is
just
> being completed and the QA board will now receive this information and
> hopefully make a quick determination as to the proper course of action
upon
> reviewing all these facts.
>  THESE INCLUDE
> 1. QA forms from former students (all who replied as every student
Derrick
> has ever trained was sent one)
> 2. Written statements from all divers on the dive explaining in detail
the
> dive planning(includes emergency procedures what ifs etc that may have
been
> discussed and agreed on)  , the dive itself and their opinions on the
> management of the accident.
> 3. Statements from you, George and Robert
> 4. ME statement (hopefully it will arrive today)
> 5. ETC.
> 
> As far as me condemn or endorse any one it is the BOA QA board that will
> determine the outcome and any statement I make would be inappropriate,
and
> anything I stated would be undermining their efforts Thus I will allow
the
> QA board to do its job
> 
> No we do not advocate a instructor telling a class that everyone is for
> himself and I would like to know the name of the investigator who told
you
> that as they sure have not given us that information. That would be vital
> information so if it is true please give me the investigators name so I
can
> have him submit that to the QA board. In fact I will place a call to the
> Broward Sheriffs dept and see if I can talk to the investigator and get
his
> statement.
> 
>  We expect instructors to act responsibly in regard to student behavior
and
> we would condemn any dive plan (regardless of depth 10 feet or 300 feet)
> that told a student he / she would not get assistance in a life
threatening
> or any other type of emergency. I find it unbelievable that an instructor
> would state that to a class or behave in that manor. Have you talked to
any
> divers on the dive to verify this?? I have and have their replies in
> writing. This post from you will also be in the file sent to the QA
board.
> 
> The instructor is there to train the students in safe diving skills ,
theory
> , practice and technique and to do all in their power to ensure the
safety
> of the student.
> 
> If the list will wait until the QA board has reviewed all facts they will
> see that our QA standards do provide appropriate actions and that it
> considers all factors in the case and therefore is capable of making a
just
> decision what ever that decision will be
> 
> Dan, you have some wrong facts Derrick has been a PADI instructor for
> several years, he crossed over to IANTD as a Advanced EANx instructor in
> 1995, he became a technical EANx instructor in May of 1997 and a trimix
> instructor in Sept of 1997. So your info on 9 months from OW diver to
> instructor is incorrect.  This is not a defense of Derrick it is just the
> truth on when he became an instructor and at what levels he did so.
> reviewing his files he had met all the prerequisites based on both
> equivalent experience and formal training and number of classes taught,
> number of dives made prerequisite teaching at each level certified to
etc.
> Other than the fact that he did meet all the requirements to become an
> instructor this has no bearing on what the QA board may decide to do, as
the
> QA board will make its decision on the event itself. The instructor
> information is just for you to know.
> 
> Again we have a very qualified QA board who will make the decision on
action
> taken by IANTD.
> 
> If you have other relevant information such as the reference you made to
the
> investigator please forward it to me today. We do expect to get the last
> divers letter(we already have a faxed copy but require a original signed
> letter) in today and the ME report. This hopefully this will go out to
the
> QA board by tomorrow. Gathering facts and getting them in writing does
take
> time but it also ensures that those reviewing the accident will make a
> complete and fair decision and that a proper determination will be made.
I
> will not and cannot state my opinion on this determination, as it is not
my
> decision and either way would be undermining Billy and the entire QA
board
> 
> I think this is a responsible and ethical answer to your questions. I do
not
> run and hide.
> and
> I do not take irresponsible actions that would undermine the efforts of
the
> QA board and the IANTD process of ensuring quality control and
enforcement
> of standards.
> 
> Tom
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Dan Volker <dlv@ga*.ne*>
> To: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*
> <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> Cc: 'cavers' <cavers@ge*.co*>
> Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 5:34 PM
> Subject: Does IANTD believe an instructor should NOT pursue a sinking
> student?
> 
> 
> > Tom,
> >I have just heard from Alan Pelstring----the dead girl's boyfriend, that
> >Derick McNulty is still teaching, and that he had students over the
> weekend.
> >So, are we to understand, that after the "exhaustive investigation"  you
> >have most certainly completed by now, you have determined that Derrick
did
> >NOTHING wrong?????
> >
> >Tom, is it IANTD  "Standard Operating Procedure",  for instructors to "
NOT
> >PURSUE" , a sinking student?
> >
> >Derick has now stated to the investigators that he felt his life would
be
> in
> >jeopardy if he was to attempt to  descend after Jane. As you know, this
was
> >with less than 13 minutes bottom time , and with close to 2/3  of his
back
> >gas left.  So again, "Should an IANTD instructor, who is "buddied" to
his
> >student,  NOT PURSUE this student,  should the student begin  a descent
> >which clearly represented the student  was in an emergency situation"
????
> >
> >Is it IANTD policy to tell a class of your students, that it is,
"everyman
> >for himself, and if you have an emergency, your on your own, because if
I
> >have to help you, it could jeopardize my own life"...????
> >
> >Tom, you don't have to answer about Derrick---just answer this in
general
> >terms.  What is an acceptable level of safety protocol for an instructor
to
> >set up for a dive???  And if a 300 foot dive is so life threatening,
that
> an
> >instructor has to brief the students that if they have a problem, no one
> >else will be able to help them, due to the strong likelihood of a
multiple
> >death tragedy, would this not indicate an UNACCEPTABLE level of risk for
> the
> >dive in question??? Would this not be reckless disregard for human life,
to
> >bring students into a situation so extreme, that they can expect no help
> >from their instructor, should they experience a problem?? Would this not
be
> >a potential _suicide_  dive???
> >
> >Please  Tom, What is your SOP in these matters.
> >
> >And if you would "like" to call Derrick negligent in his actions, it
would
> >certainly go a long way toward convincing a great many people on this
list,
> >that you actually care more about human life, than about protecting a
> >potentially dangerous IANTD  instructor. Don't think for a second that
huge
> >numbers of divers are not questioning Tom Mount's ethics  right
now.....No
> >one has heard you condemn  Derrick,  for actions which are clear to
> everyone
> >else on this list, as  negligent.  If you want to be the only one who
wants
> >to stand there and say that Derrick was performing his duty properly, I
> >think most will agree that this position by you will tell the world a
great
> >deal about IANTD----and they won't like what they just heard.
> >And as Alan Pelstring just told me that Derrick has had a grand total of
9
> >months from being an open water diver, to becoming an instructor
> >trainer---you might want to comment as to whether this is true---and if
so,
> >HOW is it possible for IANTD to crank out an instructor trainer so
fast????
> >
> >Tom, you can't claim to be investigating STILL....All the facts are in.
The
> >Medical Examiner is done, statements have been taken, and you certainly
> have
> >read everything by now.  So far you have ignored my posts to you----I'll
> >assume you did not like my tone, so you chose not to answer me.
> >
> >Sorry Tom, I felt this girl was murdered by Derrick.
> >This belief would make most people with any shred of moral decency,
pretty
> >upset.
> >
> > Would I have been  right to call you an  accomplice to this murder ----
> >probably this would have been an unfair characterization of you,
> >particularly since I know that if you had been the instructor, you would
> >have gone down after her, and you would have saved Jane's life. George
> >Believes this, as to Robert, Bill, Errol  and myself.  So we know how
the
> >top guy at IANTD would have handled this  situation.  We know how a 9
month
> >IANTD wonder named Derrick handled this.  There is NO continuity here.
> >Either he teaches like you , or he doesn't, and it looks to us like he
does
> >NOT.  So how about admitting that Derrick did not perform his job the
way
> >an IANTD instructor is supposed to. How about becoming part of a
solution
> >here, by preventing more students  from death, at the hands of an
> instructor
> >who is incapable of acting as you would require him to act.
> >
> >Do you want people to see IANTD as a reflection of Tom Mount, or as the
> >agency of cowardice.
> >
> >How about a decision.  And how about answering this post---I'm not
likely
> to
> >go away.
> >
> >Show me you have the balls to tell the truth here----or has martial arts
> >training to "5th dan" only taught you how to " run and hide today--live
and
> >run another day ( the credo Derrick obviously goes by, but hopefully you
do
> >not...).
> >
> >Dan Volker
> >
> >
> >
> 
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