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>Dan Volker wrote: > >> Tom, >> I have just heard from Alan Pelstring----the dead girl's boyfriend, that >> Derick McNulty is still teaching, and that he had students over the >weekend. > > Dan, you seem to post a rather large amount of hear-say on this >list. Are you sure everything that you are spouting off about is >factual? To John Walker, .... I'm trying to be extremely factual. In this l;ast post, I know from multiple sources that Derrick was teaching. Let Tom Deny it---obviously he will not be able to. > >> Tom, is it IANTD "Standard Operating Procedure", for instructors to " >NOT PURSUE" , a sinking student? Derick has now stated to the investigators >that he felt his life would be in jeopardy if he was to attempt to descend >after Jane. As you know, this was with less than 13 minutes bottom time , >and with close to 2/3 of his back gas left. So again, "Should an IANTD >instructor, who is "buddied" to his student, NOT PURSUE this student, >should the student begin a descent which clearly represented the student >was in an emergency situation" ???? > > Dan, curious to know if you were there wene this statment was given >to the investigators. If not, how did you here this? Like I said, I talked to the investigator. This is in the record. You already read this in my post. If you don't like hearing it from me, too bad. > > >>No one has heard you condemn Derrick, for actions which are clear to >everyone else on this list, as negligent. > > SPEAK FOR YOUR SELF DAN! I,m on the list and not much more is clear >to me except for the fact that you are accusing people of murder for >a accident that took place while diving. By the way, is this an >attempt for you to promote GUE, by hammering the rest of the >technical agenies that may be someday be competition? HMMMMMM. >If so, than I've got some GUE for you. First, I do not teach, that is not what I dive for...i.e., I do not enjoy the idea of teaching---I enjoy the act of diving. And it is an attempt by me to portray what I feel are negligent actions by an IANTD instructor, which have so far been ignored by IANTD. I would praise IANTD if they were to take a stand AGAINST Derrick, and I will have praise for any agency which has standards of a much higher caliber---as GUE as proposed, will have. If you have a problem with tech divers that want the list to hear about "better and safer" ways of diving, as opposed to the established methods that are allowing deaths, then you have the problem, and you better learn to deal with it. >> If you want to be the only one who wants to stand there and say that >Derrick was performing his duty properly, I think most will agree that this >position by you will tell the world a great deal about IANTD----and they >won't like what they just heard. > > Jesus Christ! Now your speaking for the whole world. > >> And as Alan Pelstring just told me that Derrick has had a grand total of 9 >> months from being an open water diver, to becoming an instructor >trainer---you might want to comment as to whether this is true---and if so, >> HOW is it possible for IANTD to crank out an instructor trainer so >fast???? > > And what organization is it that made Darek an open water instructor >with less than a year or experience. Sounds like more political(BRAVO >SIERRA) to me. > >>So far you have ignored my posts to you----I'll assume you did not like my >tone, so you chose not to answer me. > > Can't say I blame him personally. > >> Sorry Tom, I felt this girl was murdered by Derrick. > > Dan, just what is your interpitation of murder? As I see it, it would >be the unlawful premeditated killing of a human being. Seems to me >that both Tom and Derrick could have a case against you for >defemation of charactor. > Obviously you are unfamiliar with the manslaughter guidlines. Look up FS 782.07 I read it, and I know several prosecutors who agree with me that this case should be prosecuted. I have absolutely NOTHING to worry about regarding defamation of character. >> This belief would make most people with any shred of moral decency, pretty >> upset. > > As it makes me upset you are such a little tatal tailing baby. Whoever you are, don't waste my time saying this shit to me from the safety of your keyboard. I want to see you say this to my face, and for you to wonder whether it will be a survivable experience for you. I'm not running for any offices, I don't have any popularity agendas, and I could give a rat's ass whether or not you like what I have to say. I know "exactly" the law, on what I can and can't do to a loud mouth like you, in an in-person, confrontation. But of course , we both know you'd never let it go this far, don't we. The difference between me and you, aside from the obvious stupidity you demonstrate from your positions in this post, is that I'll say anything in person that I'll say online---to you or Tom. I'm still waiting for Mount to show up and spar with me in WPB. You have the same offer anytime, tough guy.. >> Would I have been right to call you an accomplice to this murder ---- >> probably this would have been an unfair characterization of you, >> particularly since I know that if you had been the instructor, you would >> have gone down after her, and you would have saved Jane's life. George >> Believes this, as to Robert, Bill, Errol and myself. So we know how the >> top guy at IANTD would have handled this situation. We know how a 9 > month IANTD wonder named Derrick handled this. There is NO continuity > here. > > Were is your individuality,DAN. Is that a bad word with you. John, Where are your brains??? > >> Either he teaches like you , or he doesn't, and it looks to us like he > does NOT. So how about admitting that Derrick did not perform his job the > way an IANTD instructor is supposed to. How about becoming part of a > solution here, by preventing more students from death, at the hands of an > instructor who is incapable of acting as you would require him to act. > > Again, what about some individuality? Often that brings great things >to the chalkboard. Please explain to me the down side of it. And again. Where are your brains??? > >> Show me you have the balls to tell the truth here----or has martial arts >> training to "5th dan" only taught you how to " run and hide today--live > and run another day ( the credo Derrick obviously goes by, but hopefully > you do not...). > > I also feel Tom is showing me a lot of mature control right now by not >kicking your ass. Put some money on it. I'd love the workout, as short as it would be, it would still be fun. But in fairness to Tom, he's a little old to be sparring with me. How much instructional scuba have you done Dan. By >that I meam teaching scuba? All this verbal diarrhea sound to me to be >a bunch of negitive hype towards IANTD in order to open the doors for JJ >new and upcomming organization. > Sincerly, John Walker If you are not aware of the enormous number of instructional errors being committed here by IANTD instructors--even just between the West Palm Beach triple death Tragedy, and this more recent one, then you are not prepared to have this discussion. And like I said, I do not want to teach---it is NOT the highest form of diving---it is a different direction to pursue, a good one yes, but not mine. It is a very different avocation than the diving interests I have. Worse still, I don't like having to clean up IANTD instructor messes every few months. Right now, we have a bad pattern developing. As for opening the doors for JJ, guys like Derrick and Andre Smith are performing this action, not me. I'm not the one killing students----and I'm not pretending anything is happening that has not happened---but it sounds like you and Tom Mount would like very much for everyone to pretend that NOTHING has happened. Guess what. A girl died. Her instructor watched her sink, did nothing, and allowed her to die. I'm waiting to hear whether Tom Mount is ready to say this was wrong, or to say it was right. As for you, the only thing I want to hear is when you want to meet me for a sparring session at Gile's Gym. Either that, or learn how to talk on the internet, the way you would in person. Dan Volker -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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