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To: KybrSose@ao*.co*, cavers@ca*.co*
Cc: will@tr*.co*, wschmoldt@at*.co*, SHPWRK@ao*.co*,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:08:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Just when you thought
From: phreatic@ju*.co* (William R Robinson)
I think that Al has a point here.  The distinction between the needs of
"technical" and "recreational" divers in regard to quality, reliability,
and simplicity in gear is wholly artificial.  Sure, differing
environments, profiles, etc. require different skill levels and *types*
of gear, but not quality.  Put another way, what "tech" diver can you
think of who was not at one time a "recreational" diver?  If the industry
markets stroke gear to the recreational buyer, why is anyone surprised
that your average "tech" diver shows up looking like a christmas tree of
useless convoluted crap?

If anything, the newer/less experienced type of diver ought to be exposed
to the SIMPLEST, easiest to use gear, both to reduce task-loading and to
start them off right for when they move on to more advanced types of
diving.  To justify a piece of gear's convolution/weaknesses by saying
that it is intended for recreational use is ridiculous, unless you're
talking about a camera, or something.  When dealing with life support
gear, if it doesn't pass "tech" diving muster, why on earth would you
sell it to a (likely, but not necessarily) less skilled "recreational"
diver?  Would you have your sixteen year old kid drive a car with no
brakes, just because he only drives it on the weekends?

If you can say that a piece of life support gear is unsuitable or too
complicated/failure-point laden for more advanced diving, then it is
certainly unfit for less advanced types of diving.
_____________________
W. R. Robinson
phreatic@ju*.co*
_____________________

On Tue, 5 May 1998 10:37:11 EDT KybrSose <KybrSose@ao*.co*> writes:
>In a message dated 5/5/98 12:46:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>will@tr*.co* writes:
>
>> resist   the temptation.... and actually think this through.
>
>
>Will,
>
>You are really missing the boat here.
>
>I have asked and will continue to ask " what is the mindset behind 
>this
>device?" 
>
>If your intent is to blow and go you dont need this thing weighting 
>you down. 
>
>If your diving in a buddy team, you dont need this thing.
>
>If you want a truly redundant source of gas you need a whole 
>additional first
>and second along with an isolated or isolatable( sp?) gas supply. 
>
>NO valve doesnt cut it.
>
>Bizzarro integrated first stage doesnt cut it.
>
>Second integrated into bc doesnt cut it. 
>
>Fugazi hose cluster doesnt cut it. 
>
>If you want a redundant source of gas, THEN GET ONE.
>
>If you can't monitor your gas supply then learn how.
>
>This is not the answer. 
>
>Furthermore , the recreational v. technical distinction is pointless. 
>Dont get
>wrapped up in labels designed to sell you crap. The ocean is all the 
>same. The
>physiological aspects of diving are the same. The "technical" moniker 
>is a
>madison ave term. Dont allow the marketing jackals to sell you crap 
>gear or
>crap thinking. 
>
>We all have bought that in the past. Its time to move foward. All 
>divers, not
>just rec or tek, we all need to demand quality equipment and training, 
>not
>junk.
>
>Al Marvelli    aka  KybrSose@ao*.co*
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