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From: "Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*>
To: <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>, "w wittman" <wwittman@we*.co*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Diet and Training series for fitness in deep diving, Partone; Hydration
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:50:19 -0500





>Tom Mount wrote:
>
>>Each meal has to have the correct
>>amount of protein in it, always derived from an animal source.  Plant
>>protein is bogus.
>
>

NO, I'm the one that said this.  I added "color" to the nutrition industry
issue of what is better, plant or animal protein.   Yes, there are two camps
here---two schools of thought.   Most top athletes are meat eaters, but yes,
you can participate in most sports, and do well as a vegan.  Not likely in
bodybuilding, powerlifting, or even as a Tour de France rider ( when you
need over 5000 calories per day, plant bulk and other issues come into play,
making it  next to impossible for tour riders to reach their protein and
caloric needs by plant sources.

But lets stop this arguement about whether a vegan diet is good or
bad----this issue was supposed to be about weight loss, and dietary
solutions---my making a crack about vegan diets has sidetracked the whole
issue,  and when militant vegans respond back to me, righteously indignant
about the "blasphemy" I have uttered about their beloved plant protein, and
insult me in response, this just turns into a stupid war that will serve
little purpose.

If Walt and the other Militant Vegans can drop this protein source issue, I
will too. And then we can get back to the fitness issue again, as opposed to
escalating this to a kickboxing match ---which you already know  I'll win
anyway :-)
Or do we start argueing about kickboxing now ?? :-)
Regards,
Dan Volker


>thus proving only that this person knows nothing about nutrition.
>
>protein is protein.
>the difference is the fat and all the OTHER crap that comes along WITH
>animal products.
>
>Dean Ornish has proved this thoroughly (as well as scores of others)
>a pplant based, animal product free diet with 10% or less of its calories
>from fat is PROVEN to reverse heart disease or prevent it as well as
>encourage healthy weight loss.
>PROVEN being the operative word
>
>the "need" for animal protein harkens back to a primitive belief that
>eating an aniumal gives you its strentgh.
>
>i'd LOVE to see the double blind, placebo contrlled study that shows your
>genius that animal protein is in ANY way healthier than plant protein for
>human nutrition.
>
>of course if it's only his OPINION....then let's not confuse it with facts.
>
>
>
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