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>Dan > >Unless you've just been faked, you wrote: > >> I am talking about eating to become an elite level athlete---which is what >> a tech diver should strive to be--- and a meat eating diet is necessary >> for the recovery demands of intense physical training. ><snip> > >> I bet there is an amazingly high correlation between becoming a vegan and >> becoming gay---are you light on your feet ??? ><snip> > >BUT, the last time I checked a third of the WKPP lead team _was_ vegan, >and the last time that person was slandered on the cavers list the >poster was removed from the list. > >I appreciate the diet and fitness information but how about sticking to >facts? > >Cheers > >David Middleton David, the guy was insulting me, and Terry, and I don't need that---so I responded in kind. The reality is, you can be a tech diver and be a vegan. You can even be among the best tech or cave divers, and be a vegan. But your fitness level will be as good as it is, "despite" the fact you are a vegan, not "because" of it. There is an enormous body of evidence to prove that for elite level strength and endurance training, animal based protein sources are far superior to plant proteins. Effective weight loss typically involves "building" more lean bodymass---more muscle, because it will have very high caloric demands, and this will promote weight loss. And since each muscular workout involves having to replenish glycogen stores in all the muscles worked, you will use far more of the carbohydrate you consume, but in the process of doing this, you tear muscle tissue, which needs quality protein to heal---to recover. This means a higher quality protein source will ultimately help you to burn more calories, because your percentage of bodyweight derived from muscle will be higher---because you have generated more muscle tissue through better anabolic metabolism, possible with a better diet ( and large bodyweight percentages of fat, require very tiny energy to sustain themselves). If the guy I was responding to, had just asked me with social courtesy, instead of insults, I would have been happy to explain thouroughly. No one pays me to take the time to help people on this list with nutrition and training help. I just do it because I think its something I ought to do. ..... If someone wants to insult me, FUCK them, I'm not turning any cheeks. They would not do it in person, but they think they can pull shit like this from the safety of a keyboard. This just pisses me off. Anything I have said so far can be ABSOLUTELY BACKED UP, not just by Terry's training results of hundreds of world class athletes, but also with the journal articles that led to his knowledge base in the first place. For instance, one thing this butt head vegan that attacked me with his keyboard, does NOT know, in his foolish attempt to mix plant types to get complete protein, is that NO plant protein source has enough L-methionine to qualify as a "source" for this amino acid, essential to muscle repair. They "think" they are getting the methionine they need, from nutrition lableing on their plant protein sources, but the methionine they get is not L-methionine, its a different molecular form, not the essential one--this is like reading you need vitamin E, and going to a GNC store, where you buy a generic brand. Guess what...all vitamin E is NOT equal. Several forms are completely worthless to you, yet products that contain them they still pass the RDA for vitamin E. As you probably know, at the very least, you need a vitamin E complex, with the three main tocopherols mixed together, or your body can't use it. Myopia among vegans in protein sourcing is far more pathalogical than the vitamin E example. Feel free to pass this post on to the list or anywhere. Tell the "militant vegans" I won't attack them personally, unless they attack me. I will not fault being a vegan for health or moral reasons, but I will argue it is "INFERIOR" to a animal protein based diet for recovery from elite level physical training. And as most athletes already know, its MUCH easier to stay in shape, by diet and exercise, than the training and diet needed to get "into shape", when you are badly out of it. The recovery demands of intense training, to bring a 30 % bodyfat person down to 15% will be high, assuming they take the optimal route to get there. If they do not take the optimal route---they may NEVER get there, or it may take a very LONG time. I'm trying to offer fastest or best ways to get into better fitness. The militant vegan who tried to slam me, is offering a "compromise" diet. I'm healthy, I think I have a RIGHT as an apex predator, to eat meat, and since this is THE most optimal diet for good response to high level physical training, for a human, I'm eating meat. If someone is "sick" , has allergic problems with animal proteins, a strange gastro-intestinal condition, maybe a heart condition, etc., or has a problem with their heritage as a human, and wants to de-evolve by a misplaced belief in Lamarkian genetics, let them be a vegan. But when vegans start preaching about their diets representing the optimal needs of an elite athlete, you know they are just trying to justify something they happen to "wish" to be true. Dan Volker -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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