On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 Robert.Lockard@nc*.na*.mi* wrote:

>      Jim,
>      
>      At the risk of being flamed...
That was definately a risk.
>      
>      1. Diving with a dry suit is a pain in the ass.  I will use them when 
>      the water is cold, or long deco.
Read his post.  Deep OR Cold = DRYSUIT + 104's.  Otherwise wetsuit + 80's

>      
>      2. I do not consider my dry suit a redundant means of buoyancy.
That's a shame.
>      
>      3. Dry suit inflation and buoyancy control is added task loading I 
>      don't need when Charlie comes a calling.  I will revert to best 
>      learned skills, namely BC inflator.
It's a lot more second nature when the shit hits the fan to go to a
drysuit inflator, which you use on every dive, to a secondary wing that
you never use.  If you do use your second bladder on every dive, then you
REALLY do like convolute every dive.
 
>      4. I have been using TransPac and Super Wings for a long time now, and 
>      all my tech dives are conducted with this setup.  The extra inflator 
>      hose is not in the way it is clipped off.  There is no additional task 
>      loading with this setup.  
Again, which side do you shut down in the event of a stuck inflator?  

>      
>      5.  When CF happens, deal with it.  We know from experience, that 
>      problems will compound in a CF, so it is better to have something you 
>      trust, know how to use left hand right hand, upside down or sideways, 
>      blind folded and both hands tied behind your back.  This is "PERSONAL 
>      PREFERENCE" for me ;-)  It works, and when the shit hits the fan, I 
>      can get the bra off the Catholic Girl.  
>      
That about sums it up.  Your diving a personal preference CF _EVERY_ time
you get in water.  You trust your rig for all the wrong reasons.  




>      Robert Lockard
>      
>      "When given the choice between two evils, I take the one I have not 
>      tried."
>      May West
>      
>      
> 
> 
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> Subject: Re: OMS wings problems
> Author:  Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> at Internet
> Date:    3/12/98 9:33 AM
> 
> 
> But why have your virtue protected all at the last line of defense, i.e. 
> the bra? A true catholic girl will have a jacket over a sweater over a 
> button-down vest over a French sheer with the tiny buttons on top of a 
> slip. Multiple defenses which must be defeated to have access to the 
> goodies, much better than a redundant clip, I can tell you. (It took me 
> years to figure out that what you have to do is an "island hopping" kind 
> of offense, namely bypass the heavy defenses and head straight for the 
> motherland, surprisingly protected by only a panty.)
>      
> To carry this analogy over to diving, use the right gear, i.e. drysuit, 
> buoyant stages, liftbag rather than some convoluted "last defence".
>      
>   Jim
>      
> On 3/11/98 5:42 PM Guy Wittig wrote:
>      
> >Jim
> >
> >I think the point here is that if girl's needed their bra because their tits 
> >would fall off if it came undone, then bras with a redundant clip would be a 
> >safer option. 
> >
> >Sure, if there was a clip failure you could resort to a 'manual' method of 
> >holding your tits on, but then the task loading of holding your tits all the 
> >time, not to mention the loss of use of your hands, the increased breathing 
> >rate and CO2 build up due to having your nipples continually stimulated, 
> >would increase your chance of screwing up.
> >
> >So it is a trade off. Deal with the extra clip each time you want to remove 
> >your bra - a small pain in the ass perhaps, but something you are accustomed 
> >to do in known and controlled circumstances; and if shit happens - which is 
> >unknown, unplanned and uncontrolled - know that you can rely on that second 
> >pain in the ass clip to keep your tits safe whilst you deal with the 
> >situation.
> >
> >Personally, I prefer no bra. But it depends how heavily loaded you are. 
> >
> >Guy
>      
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