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dan
i hope for all are sakes this will be the last post on this.
i think we have all agreed that there is a good chance that your thoughts on
weight MAY be correct. i personally would welcome the study that you are
suggesting here be DONE & then we make our conclusions based on that study.
i would hope that the study tests both fat & thin, fit & unfit subjects.
i suspect that you might be somewhat supprised at the results. \
all that i have asked is that you don't recomend a standard to be followed
(which is what started this whole debate) until you get your answers. at that
time if your are correct then i will agree to do what i can to stand behind
your recomendations.
until then why don't you treat your theories as only theories.
BTW if they do any testing in NY area i will gladly submit my aged mediocrely
fit
bod to your tests.
are you going to take Capt Zero up on his challange, i will join the party if
you come out.
hank
In a message dated 98-03-08 11:25:49 EST, you write:
<< Subj: Re: Why Obesity in deep tech diving is a contraindication---gas
exchange, revi
Date: 98-03-08 11:25:49 EST
From: dlv@ga*.ne* (Dan Volker)
To: Scaleworks@ao*.co* (Scaleworks), GarlooEnt@ao*.co*
CC: CAPTZEROOO@ao*.co*, Wahoojan@ao*.co*, Wahoo2001@ao*.co*,
techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Hi Dan,
>
>Don't mean to offend you any more than I already have, just a few
questions.
>
>Who is we,
WE: Myself, WKPP, and probably many on this list who have an interest in
furthering the science and safety of tech diving----this "IS" a
forumn...these discussions help to create the foundations for testing
criteria.
>what are we's qualifications to do scientific testing, what are the
>parameters that the conclusions will be based on?
I never said I was the scientist that would run the studies needed by tech
diving. I have contacted several Physiologists about this, some have
expressed extreme interest in this as a project, as well as one grad student
in Zoology, working on his Ph.D.-----he was interested in helping with
chamber simulations and lab animals. Tom Mount said he has some excellent
connections in hyperbaric medicine, that he thought he could get involved in
this, and I'm sure George Irvine's friend, Dr. Bill Hamilton, will help with
this "scientific testing" and development of conclusions as well.
Its NOT my job to set up all the parameters----I'm only making suggestions,
and providing feedback to the research minds. And this , I might add, is a
LOT more than you are doing----it seems all you want to do is waste my time
trying feebly to bust my chops, and must really care little about advancing
tech diving. Or are you saying that you see NO value in finding out what
how decompression issues vary by gas exchange rates in each individual??? I
would hope your petty jealousies could be set aside for a moment, and that
you could attempt to "contribute" to this inquiry we are proposing. And if
you are giving me shit because you are fat, and I hurt your feelings, get
over it. I targeted no derisive material about obesity at you----whenever I
have used Obesity + sedentary behavior together, it has been to illustrate a
strong probability of poor gas exchange----a condition largely ignored by
tech agencies up to now. How about being more intellectual about the issue,
more scientific yourself, instead of being antagonistic to our ideas,
because they include descriptions you find demeaning to yourself and
others.
>How can testing soon occur?
>This is not just something you jump in the pool and do.
>Seems to me the cart is always being put before the horse in your
statements.
We are talking to researchers now. A team will be put together. If you
can fit your fat body on a cart, chances are not too many horses will pull
you :)
(OK, cheap slam, but it was self defense, because you have been attacking me
in your post Don't worry, I'll get over it :)
>Most scientists do not publish results and conclusions before the
experiment.
Perhaps you are not aware of the academic history of the Internet. It gained
widespread use in academic circles, as a tool to discuss theories and
concepts, to have them argued by peers, and then to preview findings in,
prior to final publishing of a paper.
What is your problem?????
>I am not arguing the merits of fitness as it relates to diving, just your
>methodology.
Butthead..., I am not supposed to have methodology at this point in the
process. That will be part of the actual research process, which OBVIOUSLY
has not yet started. How dense are you???
I would love to see your study be done, but in a proffessional
>unbiased scientific manner.
It will be.
>
>Please factor in age in your studies, as I am not getting any younger.
And probably no thinner either :)
>Best regards,
>Kevin Gannon
Regards,
Dan Volker
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