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phreatic@ju*.co* wrote:

>There are a good number of intangibles to be assessed by the instructor
>before putting his/her name on someone's c-card.  I think that tougher
>for the sake of toughness is silly and unproductive,

there we agree

> but I also think
>that to lower standards because it's not fair to some is equally silly.

agreed again...but i didn't see ANYONE suggesting this.
did you?

>The best instructors are able to provide a good learning environment
>without sacrificing toughness.

the key to me is without sacrificing "toughness"
i see the agency's standards in "toughness" to be sufficient for OW
training, for example.
"toughening" them arbitrarily eliminiates more prospective students but
does not make for safer divers.

on the other hand, perhaps the standards for acceptance into Trimix courses
aren't currently tough ENOUGH.
others more qualified than i am need to decide that.

>To do otherwise is to let your students
>run the class, and if that's the case, why bother?

let's say PADI requires a 200 yard swim for entry to an OW class.
if i accpet that standard rather than insisitng ona 400 or 800 yd swim, am
i "letting the stuydents run the class"
i think not.
i'm letting the agency set the standard.
i'm not "letting" the students determine ANYTHING.

>I agree that macho,
>tough-guy behavior is out of place in scuba training,

then we agree...do you REALLY?

but this
>"love-in","everybody deserves a certification" attitude is also
>ridiculous.

again...who said that?

>Macho boot camp nonsense has no place in scuba training, but to forgo a
>controlled and disciplined environment is dangerous.

true enough..but how does that MEAN anything as it relates to our discussion?


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