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Robert Good points It reminds me of the saying/observation Anyone who drives slower than you is a jerk ( or other words of your choice) and anyone who drives faster than you is an idiot ( or other words of your choice)! John -----Original Message----- From: Robert.Lockard@nc*.na*.mi* [SMTP:Robert.Lockard@nc*.na*.mi*] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 7:58 AM To: jbbennett2@ju*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re[2]: Unsafe "tech" agencies You know, I was going to stay out of this one. However; a couple of points for everyone to ponder. 1. What "Concrete" information is out there that says TDI, or IAND will loose there insurance? Statements like "xyz" will loose insurance are only inflammatory. 2. If there is a person teaching outside of there agencies standards, let the agency know. I can just about guarantee the problem would be corrected. Have proof in your hands when you do. Don't just say, so and so is a bad boy. 3. If someone is not physically fit to tech dive, sit the person down, and come up with a plan so that person can get in shape. Hay, meet the person at the park to jog, or bike ride. To just say you are too 'insert insult here' to tech dive and leave. That person will most likely say a few choice words about you and find some one else to teach them. With a plan, and quantitative goals you will be surprised what will happen. You are not only helping that person get in shape, you a setting a good example for other instructors. 4. If there is an instructor who is out of shape to tech dive, then see item 3. 5. I have heard a few statements regarding a list of good instructors, bad instructors. Let me ask you, who defines good and who defines bad? Are you talking about standards? Then see item 2. Robert Lockard "Young man, success comes in can, failure comes in can't." Grace Hopper to a young Robert Lockard 1979 or 1980 don't remember the year exactly. But I still have the piece of wire. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Unsafe "tech" agencies Author: jbbennett2@ju*.co* (Jean Bennett) at Internet Date: 3/3/98 8:46 PM Raimo, when you do your first dive that is not a joke, an effort to prove something, or a teaching dive, and anyone who dives for real will dive with you, you can discuss "protection" . If you are suggesting that gas is "protection", and that real divers dive air, then you are revealing the truth about yourself. On the subject of agencies, we are talking about members of the BOD of TDI, like Palmer, who died deep air diving, as did many of the other instructors ( is this what you mean by "protection"?), instructors who were franchise holders for TDI, like Sirven, or clowns like the one who died in the Gulf just recently, whom IANTD refused to make an instructor, and who should not have been in the water. The problem is muscle heads like you , who appear to be nothing but steroid eating monkeys who are clueless about diving, clueless about gear, clueless about teaching, and who have made themselves a living pandering to testosterone devoids and wannabees, like you and you pals, are what present the first glimpse of so-called "tech"diving to the public - a gross misrepresentaion, and one that will hopefully soon be sued out of existence faster than it is being laughed out, or faster than natural selection can kill you dive shop primates off. Enjoy it while it lasts, , the insurance for TDI will not be renewed, and thanks to the recent tripple play by another tough guy, neither will IANTD's. You idiots are so stupid that you killed your own golden goose by taking the low road, and by the kind of thinking that you display in this ridiculous post below, you are clearly a first class moron. On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:19:54 EST Raimo4252 <Raimo4252@ao*.co*> writes: >In a message dated 98-03-03 07:36:11 EST, jbbennett2@ju*.co* writes: > ><< Bob suggests a method for determining good tech instructors. Let me > suggest that avoiding an agency from which NINE instructors have died > "techdiving" in the last 12 months would be a good start. >> > >Any statistics on the nine instructors as to how many of them were >also >certified by more than one tech agency?? Was it the agency(s) that >killed >them, or was it the instructors poor lack of judgement? > >>>Let me also > suggest that a "tech" agency whose president spends full time >attacking > the best "techdivers" in the business while himself setting the worst > possible example in diving is the last place one would go for tech > training. >> > >Many rock climbers die each year because they climb without >protection. They >were taught to use protection, but the appeal of risk and danger draws >them to >climbing in a more dangerous fashion. Many rock climbing instructors, >perhaps >some of the best in the world, climb this way, yet teach using >protection. If >I wanted to learn how to rock climb, I'd take my course from the rock >climbing >instructor who can climb without protection, as long as the protection >was >used in my course. Why is this so different in Scuba?? > > > >>> How can people > teach something they have never done, and have no clue how to do? >They > can't. > >> > >I agree with you here. > >Safe diving, Raimo > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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