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In a message dated 98-03-03 20:47:12 EST, jbbennett2@ju*.co* writes: << Raimo, when you do your first dive that is not a joke, an effort to prove something, or a teaching dive, and anyone who dives for real will dive with you, you can discuss "protection" . If you are suggesting that gas is "protection", and that real divers dive air, then you are revealing the truth about yourself.>> You obviously don't know me, or anything about what I do or do not believe in. You don't even know what agency I support, if any, or none, or some. Nor do you know my position on diving deep on air (which for the record, I am against). So the answer is no, I do not believe that "REAL DIVERS" dive deep on air. That is absurd. >>On the subject of agencies, we are talking about members of the BOD of TDI, like Palmer, who died deep air diving, as did many of the other instructors ( is this what you mean by "protection"?), instructors who were franchise holders for TDI, like Sirven, or clowns like the one who died in the Gulf just recently, whom IANTD refused to make an instructor, and who should not have been in the water.>> It serves no point to bash an agency-they are not all perfect. For example, recently, a fellow IANTD Tri-mix instructor, who was personally trained by Tom M., certified 3 tri-mix divers after performing only two dives to 170fsw, less than 2 foot vis, and the students completed only TWO SKILLS. The students also had never taken any other program with this instructor, so how the hell could he possibly do "the right thing". Now they are running around with tri-mix cards. How do I know this?? One of the students decided not to take there course wint me because I was too expensive and required too many dives. I am sick off this crap that one agency is better than the other. Take your head out of your ass and get with the real world. >>The problem is muscle heads like you , who appear to be nothing but steroid eating monkeys who are clueless about diving, clueless about gear, clueless about teaching, and who have made themselves a living pandering to testosterone devoids and wannabees, like you and you pals, are what present the first glimpse of so-called "tech"diving to the public - a gross misrepresentaion, and one that will hopefully soon be sued out of existence faster than it is being laughed out, or faster than natural selection can kill you dive shop primates off. >> I won't waist my time stooping to your level. If Teck diving agencys, any of them, were "sued out of existance", i suspect some serious legislation coming down the road. It's people with attitudes like yours, wishing for lawsuits, that will ultimately hurt the scuba industry. I do not believe in regulation, and that is exactly what you want. Well, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You are in no position to tell any diver what they can and can't do. Neither am I. If someone would like to learn to dive a specific way, be it wreck,cave, ice, deep or whatever, they have the choice, or shall I say FREEDOM, to do so however they want, whether it is by taking a course or learning on their own (which I of course do not reccomend). Likewise, they have the freedom after taking a course to dive however they want, either the way they were taught, their own way, or something in-between. Our only responsibility is to teach the safest techinques we know, using the best gear possible. But does that mean that we, as individuals, should be restrained for pushing limits, or even diving deep on air?? I don't believe so. I am against diving deep on air, but I am not going to become a scuba police officer and patrol the waters to stop people. Let them go. Let them be stupid. Let them kill themselves. That's being un-regulated, harsh as it may sound. >> Enjoy it while it lasts, , the insurance for TDI will not be renewed, and thanks to the recent tripple play by another tough guy, neither will IANTD's. You idiots are so stupid that you killed your own golden goose by taking the low road, and by the kind of thinking that you display in this ridiculous post below, you are clearly a first class moron. >> Enlighten us all as to why insurance will not be renewed. And lets see if you can deal with the facts, not opinions. Safe diving, Raimo -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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