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Steve. Fact. All the better boats in South florida, are picky abour WHO they take on deeper dives. This means the captains WILL decide who they think is likely to be safe, and who they think will be too risky to take. It does NOT matter whether you like this or not, this is the way it is happening right now. And we have some of the best deep dives in the world. Period. Some of the boats are more picky than others, in that to deep dive, they have to actually know you, and really know what you are likely to do. And many of these best boats, have begun taking out less and less deep trips, leaving only a very few really good boats left. This is because of diver deaths. This is because of the lack of reasonable tech standards. This is because of poor tech divers. This is ruining our ability to be able to find a boat that will take us to the site we want to dive. If someone is too damn fat and lazy to train to become fit, I'll suggest to all boat captains, that these guys should be left at the dock. They are too big a risk for the rest of us, who were willing to put the time in to become tech divers. I'll say this again. No one "has" to be fat and lazy. If you are, you have the "Right" to go bowling. You have the "right" to eat till you are full, make your self vomit, and then stuff your fat gut again. You have the "right " to hang Gilliam's poster over your couch, and toast him over half a dozen 6 packs with your fat friends. You don't have the "right" to ruin our chances to dive where we want to dive. Even if you are an obese slob, someone out there is family to you, and its wrong for you to inflict emotional injury on them, with your untimely demise. Some may even be counting on you for their future, and your irresponsible entrance into a sport you are unfit for, that will place you at exponentially more risk than it will a highly fit diver, is just plain wrong. Do you have "the right" to destroy your family???Do you have the "right" to make your wife a widow and your kids fatherless??? Stop being so damn self absorbed, and start a fitness program today, one that will give you a shot at safe tech divng in the future, as well as a shot at making 60 without needing a triple by-pass operation. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lindblom <s_lindblom@co*.co*> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Tragic technicaldiving > >>Tell us who dear old grandma is going to impinge upon? To whom is >>she going to cause detriment when she goes skiing, skydiving >>or dives on the Doria? > >It's interesting, but the "We know what's good for you" bleeding heart >fascists try to justify making lots more rules, the usual rationale is >that the government will step in and make REALLY restrictive law (though >god knows what could be more restrictive that the sort of stuff Dan has >been hinting at) if we don't. > >Yet historically this is not the case - our govt here in the US only steps >in when people are likely to hurt others in addition to themselves, or when >the cost passed on to the public becomes excessive. When the consituency is >large enough (as with guns and tobacco) not even these seem to count. >A good example is aviation, which is very rigidly regulated (though where >the pilot once licensed is given enormous leeway in making decisions). >Since the danger to the public from crashes (as passengers) or from falling >aircraft is substantial, the gov regulates it. >Ultralights, on the other hand, which carry no risk to passengers (can't >carry them) and little risk to bystanders (small and light, easy to dodge) >are not regulated at all, despite a death toll compared to which TDI look >like the girl scouts. > >Or take motorcycle helmet laws. When these are debated by our lawmakers, >the main concern is always the high cost of head injuries to the public. >The problem from the govt's point of view is not that motorcyclists are >killing themselves (like ultralightists) when they crash, but that they >aren't - that they tend to turn themselves into veggies, and then live >long, expensive, unproductive lives as public wards. No one is particularly >worried about the safety of the motorcylists, only their impact on the >public wallet. > >So as divers, are best defense against onerous govt. regulation is not dumb >self serving rules from the industry, but to continue as we are doing, and >either kill ourselves dead when we screw up, or do only relatively >inexpensive harm. > >This whole thread, BTW, is not only tedious, but stupid, since one never >knows what the liability really is until the courts are finished. This dive >boat captain who tries to guard himself against liability by refusing to >let a certified diver dive might find himself sued for the cost of the >divers trip, including airfare and damages, and maybe even assault or false >arrest if he was particularly inept at stopping them. If he sucessfully >defended himself against those charges, by proving he was qualified to >second-guess the certifying agency, and had the authority and >responsibility to act, he might find himself facing suits from past and >future clients when they were injured, for NOT stopping them, now that he'd >shown it was his duty to do so. And on, and on, and on. > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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