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> >While it may not be a good idea, or advisable for your grandmother to 
> >dive, I think most of us agree that it's UP TO HER whether or not she 
> >dives, or how she kills herself.
> 
> Except, perhaps the law.  You are ignoring that said grandmother's
> actions could potentially compromise the rights of others, rights that
> American Veterans have also fought for.   When the public/social cost of
> people exercising their 'rights' irresponsibly to the detriment of others
> rises high enough, that 'right' will cease to exist.  While I am all for
> personal freedom, I do not support the notion that that freedom is
> without attendant responsibility, as you seem to assert here.

Let's dispense with the smoke and mirrors, talk of the public
good and whatnot...these are generalities that serve no point
in debate except to obscur.

After all, who would dare challenge the "public good"?

Fine, I will.

Tell us who dear old grandma is going to impinge upon?  To whom is
she going to cause detriment when she goes skiing, skydiving
or dives on the Doria?

Can she go grocery shopping without causing detriment?  Or is
there social cost there too?

Who's rights might she "compromise"?

What IS this awful public/social cost that you are insisting
upon?

Come on, out with it, stop speaking in code, granny is planning to 
dive the Doria this weekend.  She's got her doubles filled, and her new 
denture-less mouthpiece has come in.  Who do we need to warn that they 
are about to be compromised, caused detriment (excuse the grammar :-) ), 
and impinged upon?  Where is the social and public cost that will be 
incurred?  Who is the accountant that tallies this figure?
Where is the guy who tallies the cost in personal freedom, or
did he get cut in the last round of budget cuts?

You say you are for personal freedom, and before the ink bits can
dry you put it in some cage of "attendant responsibility"...

Sounds like a tent precariously itched on a slippery slope
waiting for the next El Nino storm to come along.

Mike
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