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From: "David Shimell (shimell)" <shimell@se*.co*>
To: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: nitrox
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 18:34:00 GMT

All

>The question of how long it takes the mix to completely homogenize is   
still
>subject to some debate, but it really has nothing to do with the   
situation
>you are describing - any error it caused would have shown up immediately
>after mixing, not much later when you saw it (unless of course the guy   
was
>analyzing instantly upon mixing, then wasting hours fiddling with the   
mix
>to try and "correct" it, in which case the guy is an even bigger idiot.

For most of the last year I have been mixing my own gas and can comment   
with limited experience on this.

Nitrox seems to mix completely sometimes immediately after filling or at   
least within 5 minutes of filling.

I leave my analysis of Trimix fills until the next morning.   I have seen   
Trimixes take 2-3 hours or more to stabalise.  BTW, I pump each gas in   
one after each other rather than waiting hours for the He then O2 to   
cool.

Interestingly over the weekend, my buddy took a 25 litre twinset with   
something like 36% in it and connected it via a whip to a 7 litre   
cylinder containing the devil gas (air).  All cylinders were full at   
about 220 bar to start.  He reported that after 1.5 days, the O2 content   
of the cylinders had only changed by 1.7% up and down.  I haven't   
repeated his experiment but what it shows if that the diffusion of the   
gasses is relatively slow if this has to occur by Brownian motion across   
the whip, etc. rather than being mixed by a jet of high pressure gas   
being injected into the cylinder as is the case when a cylinder is   
filled.

David Shimell
Project Manager, Sequent Computer Systems Ltd, Weybridge, UK
Email: shimell@se*.co*


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From:  owner-techdiver[SMTP:owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com]
Sent:  25 February 1998 10:29
To:  techdiver
Subject:  Re: nitrox


>His explanation was that he had someone else do the fills.   The new   
person
>did not wait long enough between the time the tank was filled to do the
oxygen
>measuring.   He says that the additional time is needed so the oxygen   
can
mix.
>Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

This has nothing to do with it. You don't analyze a mix to tell you what   
it
is - you analyze it as a double-check to confirm that it came out as
intended. If the mix is off, then it's because the mixing was done wrong,
not the analysis. Whoever is doing the mixing there doesn't know what the
hell they are doing, and you are right not to trust them anymore.

But weren't you analyzing your mixes before diving all along??

The question of how long it takes the mix to completely homogenize is   
still
subject to some debate, but it really has nothing to do with the   
situation
you are describing - any error it caused would have shown up immediately
after mixing, not much later when you saw it (unless of course the guy   
was
analyzing instantly upon mixing, then wasting hours fiddling with the mix
to try and "correct" it, in which case the guy is an even bigger idiot.

5% is a hell of an error. It boggles the mind how anyone could get that   
far
off.


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