Phil, you are correct. There are plenty of other systems to use other 
than hogarth. Hogarth configuration is the exception rather than the 
rule. Having stumbled into to this system myself and lurched and bumbled 
my way through it, eventually the lightbulb comes on and you realize that 
you are dealing with a *system* here, not a *concept*.

True there are certain aspects of hogarth which can benefit open water 
no-stop diving rigs. But the system of hogarth is dependant on your gear, 
your physical conditioning and your attitude. Benefits:

- Usable redundancy
- Simplicity
- Standards

Usable redundancy means that you always know what your air state is, even 
under stressful conditions.

Simplicity, means that you always know what your air state is, even under 
stressful conditions.

Standards means that you know instinctively where your buddy's equipment 
is because he is setup exactly like you.

You can dive whatever way you damn well please and to be frank, nobody on 
this side of the lake gives a flying frejole, Phil. But what I would like 
you to do is to point out for me the flaws in the above system. What 
feature should be left out? What argument do you have for everyone having 
a completely different setup? How is a single with a pony better than a 
manifolded, isolated doubles? Can you do a failure analysis of your rig 
and come out better than a hogarth setup?

The issue here is surviving a clusterfuck while under decom conditions. 
Any bozo can tie a tank onto his back with a piece of rope and jump over 
the side. The question is, when the feces hit the fan blades, how do you 
want to be configured?

On 2/24/98 11:57 AM Phil Clarke wrote:

>Guys, girls,
>
>I & others are going over the same old ground again: is Hog kit the only
>solution, is Hog philosophy the only way to think.
>
>For the benefit of the uninterested I'm happy to agree to disagree and
>save them a flood of same old subject emails. If others want to carry on
>the discussion, private or public, thats fine by me. (Id like to see
>Bill answer my challenge tho :-) )
>
>For your interest: there've been about 30 public messages now, most
>disagreeing with me, some questioning me. Ive had a similar number of
>_contributors_ agreeing with me on private email (who can blame them?
>Ive answered 50 emails in 2 days & been called a "f***ing moron" for
>disagreeing on subjective matters).
>
>
>If anyone has incident reports where kit rigging caused deaths I'd love
>to see if there's anything more significant than "hooked wreck with
>widow maker" or "cant reach untethered octopus".
>
>regards ... Phil
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>  Human Factors, BT Labs
>  http://www.labs.bt.com/people/clarkep3/
>
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