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At 01:04 PM 23/02/1998 -0000, Phil Clarke wrote: >Michael, > >>>> 2m hoses do not make for easy kitting up >>>> in limited space on a choppy sea What's so hard about grabbing the long hose and throwing the reg round your neck? If you have trouble doing this, you must have trouble dressing yourself in the morning. >>> As far as I can tell, you dive with a Buddy Commando, 15l single steel >>>and a pony, assorted knives strapped to various body parts, and lots >>>of other good stuff, and you do short dives. >Commando, 12l steel with Omega II main reg (side exhaust), 3l pony with >Apeks reg (front exhaust, no confusion), Polar Bear membrane suit. >Diving up to 40/50m on air or nitrox as appropriate, Buhlmann tables, no >deep overhead environments on this kit. > >>> Now please take the time to explain to me (or the list) point by >>>point how your setup is superior to a Hogarthian rig in your >>>*situation*. > >Firstly, I dive no-stop or short stops in the north seas due to limited >slack water times - therefore I do a whole dive on my 12l with plenty of >reserve, even filling a few lifting bags, and never touch my pony. I >dont need the weight of twin 10's, & could consider the manifolding >joints to be 4 extra failure points and the isolator a 5th. Phil, you're inventing stuff again. What's wrong with a Hogarth single rig and a sling pony? >The pony is enough gas to reach the surface and do deco from 40m. I can >detatch the pony & hand it to someone in extreme circumstances, or if >the Hog'ers send an assasin to trap me in a silty wreck & drain my 12l I >can ditch main kit and take the pony only, which a Hog'er couldnt do. Don't be blockhead Phil. I can unclip my sling cylinder and hand it off anytime during a dive or before I climb onto the boat. Again you DO NOT understand the Hogarth system and are blabbering nonsense. >I carry line cutters. I guess the WKPP dont encounter much monofilament, >but they still swear that one small knife is the only way to dive. This is ignorant bullshit. Plenty of Hogarth divers carry line cutters in place of or in addition to knives. You don't understand Hogarthian. > >My rig comes off with 4 buckles beside the RIB and can be lifted away so >I only have my own bodyweight to haul into the boat. A Hogarth single rig comes off with one buckle. >It takes serious wriggling to escape a Hog rig with no buckles in a >flowing tide - possible, but best practise? You haven't got a clue, have you? >Etc. Some are small points maybe, but valid. So lets drop this "Hog kit >is the last word for all" bluster and accept that Hog is damn fine for >90% of tasks but sometimes other kit works better - even the most ardent >Hog'er cant easily cut 200lb monofilament with his small knife, but my >line cutter shears will. Phil, go away and learn about the Hogarth system and the Hogarth attitude. When you understand both, come back to the list and lets discuss it. But in the meantime, let me point out that every one of your posts demonstrates a deeper ignorance of what is Hogarthian. Let me also remind you of your own words in another post: "I'm open minded about kit, annoyed more at the 'Hog only' posse's closed minds than their divine arrogance, & wont let my ego kill me -" You talk about closed minds and divine arrogance, but YOU display both AND stubborn stupidity that borders on the bovine. You started this thread by knocking the Hogarth system when you clearly don't know the first thing about the Hogarth system. Remember?... "Hog doesnt work well in the north sea, but it doesnt make us strokes - you cant rely on a buddy for redundancy when general low viz and sudden blackouts (eg. big ship causes incoming silt cloud) are big issues. Hog doesnt work for training new sport divers either, I pack my own redundancy rather than rely on a 6 dive newby giving up their air." Phil, until you get off your arse and do some research you aren't qualified to discuss the Hogarth system, much less knock it. rgrds billyw -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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