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Subject: Re: Roger Steele: Awaiting Your Answer
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 13:04:49 -0500
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>, "Tech Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Roger-

Deaths, deaths everywhere. I love this thread, it's such good copy for 
TDI. How long are you going to drag it on, goose boy?

Rob Palmer: TDI Cause of Death:  Deep air contributed to or directly
caused:

Rob Parker: TDI  Cause of Death: Deep Air contributed to or directly
caused:

Dennis Sirven: TDI  Cause of Death: Deep Air complicated by
intocxication with alcohol and marijuana

Douglas Missavage: TDI  Cause of Death: Deep Air contributed to or
directly caused

A rebreather training death in Hawaii (I don't know the name of the
individual however a lawsuit is now pending.)

And now a new person to add to the list involving a TDI shop in 
Australia, in  a breaking story:

On Saturday January 31, five divers from Newcastle 
just north of Sydney, dived on the Advance, a sunken
collier at 48 metres (158 ft).

All five dived independently. Bottom time was approx 20 
minutes. Only four surfaced.

After 90 minutes the surviving divers re-descended to 
look for the missing diver. They found him on the bottom, 
dead.

In a typical deep-air clusterfuck, the divers were unable 
to figure out how to raise his body - get gas into his bc
or release his weight belt. So they decided to cut the
weightbelt off him with a diving knife. In doing so, they 
managed to put some stab wounds into the corpse.

The dead diver was an American living in Newcastle. He
went diving with the Newcastle Cave & Tech Dive Shop at 
Swansea. Until the coroners report is in, it isn't known 
whether his death adds to the horrible deep air tally of 
the past year, or was due to some kind of illness.

But one thing is apparent. Only deep air could turn a 
simple body recovery into a horrible fuck-up like this.

Roger, how about it if this was YOUR cold, stiff corpse floating on the 
bottom of some godforsaken quarry. A bunch of narced idiots stabbing you 
through to cut off your weight belt? How can you promote this shit?

  Jim

On 2/9/98 11:46 AM roger steele wrote:

>Oh my Gosh.  The word is out.  First, please don't hurt me.  Your 
>posting leads me to believe that you are aggrevated with me.  I'm sorry.  
>Please, be nice, I'm only a neophyte.  Now, lets continue.  First, Your 
>posting of 5 out of 8 deaths is impressive, except for one thing.  You 
>do not support these statistics with the agency that compiled them.  You 
>see, it is hard for me just to "take your word for it" when your 
>postings are of this nature.  You see, ad hominem attacks do not impress 
>me.  Your posting is nothing more than this.  Please, give me the source 
>of this information.  I know that you have it.  Is it DAN, or another 
>organization?  You see, The Cobber man told me one time that this 
>information does not exist or it is next to impossible to get.  Check 
>the archives.  You obviously have this information.  Share your source 
>with me and the rest of the list.  


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