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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:39:42 -0600
From: Drew Mooney <dmooney@cy*.ne*>
Organization: Motorola / SSSI -- CDMA A-Team
To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
CC: cavers@ww*.ge*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: BULLSHIT magazine
Jim,

Dustin Clesi has seven sheep.......

Drew

Jim Cobb wrote:

> Roger-
>
> Why the constant drumbeat on the "profanity"? Both the Techdiver and Caver
> list are private lists. You might have a case with a usegroup or some other
> public bulletin board of some sort.  Lists are called "private" because you
> have to apply to join them and they are under no onus at all insofar as
> language or other points which are apparently bothersome to you. Do you
> understand the difference between "public" and "private"?
>
> As an example. Let's say you were my neighbor and you enjoyed buggering
> your, uh, let's say Great Dane. Now you can do this all you want in the
> privacy of your own home. And if you invite me into your home and you get a
> sudden urge, at worse all I could do is leave. But as your neighbor I can
> do nothing at all about it (short of publishing a magazine and dedicating
> it to denigrating you).
>
> Now if you started to bugger your Great Dane your front lawn, all sorts of
> laws of PUBLIC decency would be broken and I could call the cops.
>
> Is this clear now?
>
> >TDI plant???  Hardly.  Anyone reading that article and this list without
> >any other information would have drawn the same conclusion.  People on
> >the list use profanity and call each other morons, as you have stated
> >below. People tend to base their conclusions on the available
> >documentation. I am being objectve.  You need to be objective towards me
> >and not jump to the conclusion that I am a TDI plant.  This is
> >laughable.  From your snip of my previous post, all that you can
> >conclude about my position is that I think Brett and George are
> >attacking each other through different mediums.  One has used profanity,
> >the other has not.  Deal with it.  That statement does not mean that "I
> >love deep air, I hate the WKPP, TDI is awesome etc..."  In response to
> >your other claims, refer to my e-mail to Jesse.
> >
> >Roger
> >
> >>From ejsadler@pa*.ne* Thu Feb  5 08:59:52 1998
> >>Received: from [209.94.1.9] (a01-09.inetnow.net [209.94.1.9]) by
> >deep-thoughts.com (8.8.5) id JAA19654; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:59:39 -0700
> >(MST)
> >>Message-Id: <v03110708b100428da65d@[209.94.1.9]>
> >>In-Reply-To: <19980205140245.23700.qmail@ho*.co*>
> >>Mime-Version: 1.0
> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:43:26 -0500
> >>To: "roger steele" <rogersteele@ho*.co*>
> >>From: "E.J. Sadler" <ejsadler@Pa*.ne*>
> >>Subject: Re: BULLSHIT magazine
> >>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >>
> >>>For myself, I really do not see the difference
> >>>between what Gilliam printed in his magazine and what George has
> >posted
> >>>on this list, other than the fact that Gilliam did not print
> >profanity.
> >>
> >>
> >>Well, I personally am glad to finally see where you actually stand.
> >During
> >>the last round about contributory deaths, I actually thought you may
> >have
> >>been someone looking at things objectively.
> >>
> >>Thank you for clarifying my erroneous position.
> >>
> >>If you actually believed that there is no difference between
> >communicating
> >>opinions through a channel that the individual in question has direct
> >>editorial control, and an open forum in which anybody can contribute, I
> >>would have to conclude that you are a moron.
> >>
> >>Fortunately for you, it is obvious now that you are some kind of
> >>TDI/Gilliam PR plant, and not a moron.
> >>
> >>But please, don't assume that we are.
> >>
> >>E.J.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I've read this magazine.  Some of the articles in the past have been
> >>>informative.  Certainly, it ranks higher than "Skin Diver".  I think
> >the
> >>>problem that most people have with the magazine on this list is that
> >>>Brett Gilliam decided to take George on in the print media, instead of
> >>>the internet.  I have not read any critiques about the content of the
> >>>magazine itself, other than the last issue being too basic for
> >advanced
> >>>divers.  (The magazine had several articles about decompression
> >>>sickness.  Of course, it could be argued that these articles were
> >aimed
> >>>at new "tech" divers.")  For myself, I really do not see the
> >difference
> >>>between what Gilliam printed in his magazine and what George has
> >posted
> >>>on this list, other than the fact that Gilliam did not print
> >profanity.
> >>>  Over the past several days I have read many posts from individuals
> >>>justifying the tactics of personal attacks over the internet.  In
> >>>essence, most of these posts state that if you can't take the heat,
> >then
> >>>stop crying about it and get off the list.  If people truly believe in
> >>>this statement, then they should apply it evenly.  From the statement
> >>>below, it would seem that Brett Gilliam is merely doing the same thing
> >>>that is done on this list daily.  If you cannot take the heat, stop
> >>>crying about it in your posts.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>______________________________
> >>
> >>E.J. Sadler / Particle Studios
> >>ejsadler@pa*.ne*
> >>800.704.3900
> >>http://particles.net
> >>______________________________
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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