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Ken, I believe you are right. The CDS sponsers exploration. Mike needs to realize that the tactics on this list are not going to change untill people start focusing on diving. Maybe he would fair better if he would stop sending posts about internet tactics and start focusing on diving information and techniques. >From ken@co*.ci*.uf*.ed* Thu Feb 5 06:11:41 1998 >Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (sp04.nerdc.ufl.edu [128.227.175.134]) by zen.kr.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA20944 for <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:28:56 -0500 (EST) >Received: from condor.circa.ufl.edu (condor.circa.ufl.edu [128.227.8.24]) > by smtp.ufl.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/1.5.1) with ESMTP id IAA52262; > Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:36:21 -0500 >Received: from CONDOR/SpoolDir by condor.circa.ufl.edu (Mercury 1.40); > 5 Feb 98 08:36:17 +500 >Received: from SpoolDir by CONDOR (Mercury 1.40); 5 Feb 98 08:35:52 +500 >Received: from ascentia-.circa.ufl.edu (128.227.8.198) by condor.circa.ufl.edu (Mercury 1.40); > 5 Feb 98 08:35:50 +500 >Comments: Authenticated sender is <ken@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*> >From: "Ken Sallot" <ken@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*> >To: "Auqanut" <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>, madblue@ma*.va*.ne* (Mike Bruic) >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:36:19 +0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Subject: Re: Fraudulent posts >CC: "Jesse Armantrout" <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*> >Priority: normal >In-reply-to: <19980205121400265.AAA465@pp*.va*.ne*> >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) >Message-ID: <112C623C71@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*> > >Good, since the CDS is willing to share survey data, do me a favor >and ask a certain board member for the survey data of the "2500' >spring tunnel" and the survey data for the line they've been laying >in the 6300' spring tunnel in Manatee. If you can get it, I'll be >honestly surprised. > >Also, Mike, my understand is the CDS itself does not do exploration, >but rather sponsor exploration projects. There's a distinct >difference between the two. > >And yes, I am a member. > >Ken > > >> From: madblue@ma*.va*.ne* (Mike Bruic) >> To: "Auqanut" <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*> >> Cc: "Jesse Armantrout" <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*> >> Subject: Re: Fraudulent posts >> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:12:11 -0500 > >> >> >> From: Mike Bruic <madblue@ma*.va*.ne*> >> To: Jesse Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*> >> Subject: Re: Fraudulent posts >> Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 10:21 PM >> >> >> >> >> > From: Jesse Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*> >> > To: Machine Gun Mike Bruic <madblue@ma*.va*.ne*> >> > Cc: Auqanut <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*> >> > Subject: Re: Fraudulent posts >> > Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 7:56 AM >> >> Jesse: >> >> On Wednesday, February 04 you wrote: >> >> > "Would I be proud to be part of an organization that is on the very >> > cutting edge of cave diving, that does more complex and extreme >> > exploration on a >> > continuing basis than any in the world, that is involved with "numeris" >> > government and academic institutions providing priceless research data, >> > that gladly and willing shares all its wealth of information on >> > physics, >> > physiology, equipment, etc., to anyone willing to listen, that >> > publishes >> > and distributes maps, film and survey data of all they explore ......"> >> > >> >> Wow, you're a member of the NSS/CDS too? Glad to have you as a part of >> the team! >> >> Mike Bruic >> >> > >From: Machine Gun Mike Bruic <madblue@ma*.va*.ne*> >> > >To: Jesse Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*> >> > >Cc: Auqanut <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*> >> > > Subject: Re: Fraudulent posts >> > > Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 7:11 PM >> > > >> > > Jesse, >> > > It behooves me why a handful of sciolistic individuals feel they can >> > > mock >> > > a >> > > entire community of literally thousands without retort. Jesse, look >> > at >> > > the >> > > lighter side, a cartoon character is far more humorous than the >> > > boisterously verbal obscenities that seem to be proliferating from >> > your >> > > organization and directed at anyone they feel threatend by or >> > disagree >> > > with. >> > > >> > > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but are not all cave divers who do not >> > modify >> > > their gear and conform to the standards promulgated by your >> > > organization >> > > (wkpp) commonly referred to as "strokes" (with reference to >> > > masturbation), >> > > "farm animals", "Dumb f--ks", "morons", "idiots", "a--holes", >> > "fagots", >> > > ""inbreeds", "fat f--king slobs", "total f--king idiots" and so >> > forth. >> > > While the vast majority of individuals in the caving community have a >> > > vocabulary on a plateau far, far above this, you seem to have >> > > retrogressed >> > > into a group of a select few, who have a extremely limited, if not >> > > disfunctional vocabulary ( you did say you were a member???) Tell me >> > > Jesse, >> > > are you truthfully proud to be a member of such a organization???? >> > > >> > > Jesse, for what it's worth, I'd like to personally thank you for >> > > one >> > > of the extremely limited few individuals within your organization who >> > > does >> > > not have a vocabulary that extends into the adolescent boundaries of >> > > vulgarism. However, I fail to see any merit in your post with >> > > retrospect >> > > to >> > > T-shirts or anything else. >> > > >> > > You too, have a great day!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) >> > > >> > > Mike Bruic >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ---------- >> > > From: Jesse Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*> >> > > To: Mike Bruic <madblue@ma*.va*.ne*>; Auqanut >> > > <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*> >> > > > Cc: John Clark <mr_clark3@ju*.co*> >> > > > Subject: Re: Fraudulent posts >> > > > Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 7:47 AM >> > > > >> > > > Mike, >> > > > We know exactly what you mean. I can remember how upset I was when >> > > > this >> > > > certain individual had T-Shirts made up insulting over 100 of the >> > > > most >> > > > dedicated and active members of the cave diving community. >> > > > >> > > > As for pursuing legal remedies to having your feelings hurt, well, >> > > > I >> > > > guess >> > > > that was more humor, right? Our courts are too busy pursuing real >> > > > criminals. But then, you already know about that don't you? >> > > > >> > > > Chief, if you are going to play the game, don't throw temper >> > > > tantrums >> > > > every >> > > > time things don't go your way. If you don't like the way the game >> > > > is >> > > > play, >> > > > pack up your toys and go home. You will not be missed. >> > > > >> > > > Have a great day, >> > > > Trout >> > > > >> > > > ---------- >> > > > > From: Mike Bruic <madblue@ma*.va*.ne*> >> > > > > To: Auqanut <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*> >> > > > > Cc: John Clark <mr_clark3@ju*.co*> >> > > > > Subject: Fraudulent posts >> > > > > Date: Sunday, February 01, 1998 7:54 PM >> > > > > >> > > > > It is my sincere regret that any of the Caving Community, myself >> > > > > included, >> > > > > has had to be subjected to this kind of behavior and I appreciate >> > > > > the >> > > > > overwhelming support that has been extended to me from the >> > > > > community >> > > > > as >> > > > > a >> > > > > whole since these attacks on my character have begun. This kind >> > > > > of >> > > > > adolescent back-biting reflects on the Caving Community as a >> > > > > whole. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Mike Bruic >> > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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