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From: "David Shimell (shimell)" <shimell@se*.co*>
To: cobber <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
Cc: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: Pony Bottles
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 16:28:00 GMT

Jim

You didn't comment on my main point of the vestigial pressure gauge but   
what I intended to be a secondary point.  BTW, I do not dive singles let   
along ponies but the point is worth discussing.  Anyway, you wrote...

>You are basically describing diving with independent doubles, a
>horrifying practice which is still championed by you Brits and other
>Europeans.

Yes, this would be the procedure for diving independent doubles which I   
agree is a horrifying stroke practice.  I would not like to say that we   
Brits champion this.  Rather that some strokes practice it just as is the   
case in you neck of the woods, mate :)

>But I understand that a Hogarth revolution is taking place over there,
>much to the dismay of the ID (stroke) crowd. I hope you all don't get
>stuck on tradition over there.

It is good to see a Hogarthian setup at a dive site but this is still   
rare - part of the Neolithic mentality of a few die hards who think that   
after 20 years of diving a certain way there can't be a better way.   
 However, there are things that can be learnt from these die hards.  See   
below.

>By the way, what you describe below scares the bejeezus out of me. Are
>you sure you worded this correctly?

Perhaps you are thinking that I am referring to breathing a pony during   
the normal course of a dive which would be then diving true independents.   
 We agree that this is a stroke practice.  A  pony, in our discussion, is   
only used in a low on gas situation.

Whether I worded it correctly according to BSAC is immaterial.  Firstly,   
a pony should not be planned to be used - it should be retained for   
emergencies only.  Next, consider the situation we are in - we have a   
single and a pony.  To all intents and purposes anyone diving this set up   
is diving independents although they are managing only one supply - the   
primary (the pony is not planned to be used).  However, if and only if an   
incident happens and the primary supply has gone beyond a reserve level,   
then I contend that the safest approach is to go to the pony before the   
primary is drained (thus in an emergency we are now on independents).

The difference between diving true independents and a single and a pony   
is that with independents it is planned to use both cylinders on each and   
every dive as a normal course of events.  The chance of human error (the   
failure mode with independents) is higher than would be the case of a   
diver with a pony who should never have to use the pony as they always   
exit with proper reserves in their primary.

David Shimell
Project Manager, Sequent Computer Systems Ltd, Weybridge, UK
Email: shimell@se*.co*

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