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Tim Olsen continues to urge a cover-up....
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>Also among the mistakes being made is sensationalism of this
>and any diving accident.
The truth isn't sensationalism.
>Now I don't care how "Orwellian" the concept of discretion is,
>but I think that we should be spreading the teachings and info.
>from incidents like these among those who it APPLIES to.
What you were suggesting was not discretion, it sounded like a cover-up,
at best.
>Almost EVERYTHING that happens in the news gets FAR too
>much publicity these days. Look at the Kennedy skiing death.
>Big fucking deal....they did something stupid...their fault.
>Still, it's just one more nail in the coffin for the sport of skiing,
>and everyone involved in providing equipment and services. Do you
>think the ski hill and equipment companies don't shiver a bit when
>something like that happens?
That is the point! If they are hurt economically by bad things done out
of stupidity, then they will have motivation to police their own sport
through better training. Covering up, as you so adamantly demand, will
merely allow the stupid practices to continue out of the public eye.
Public exposure flushes out the rats, as you are rapidly proving to be a
case in point.
>
>Why put things on the NEWS when there is FEWER THAN
>2% of the population that this accident could teach anything
>to.....much less than that if you only count those who would
>tech-dive. It only hurts us all. We have a great forum here
>on Techdiver. DEMA is going on. There are newsgroups
>and dive shops. These are the people and those are the places
>where the information is appropriate.
"Keep it in the family?" Is that what you are implying? You are sick.
To suggest that we avoid public exposure, to HIDE the facts of these
incidents is to suggest avoidance of accountability. In other words, if
we all keep our mouths shut, we can continue to make money off of this
without being accountable for unsafe or unsound practices. Listen to
yourself-how do you sleep at night making suggestions like that?
>
>I don't know what the situation is in Florida, but I would
>imagine that you folks would want to keep the publicity
>down as much as possible....and that DOESN'T mean
>withhold information where appropriate. If you lose
>a helium supply for diving, you WILL see more people
>doing it "wrong" and the deaths will go up. We worked
>hard to get to the point where people would accept
>Trimix, why jeopardize that. The families of the dead
>don't benefit from the publicity either.
I don't think that an industry that is as risk intensive as this one has
any business surviving if it cannot stand up to public scrutiny. The
families of the dead would most likely be even more upset if there were a
cover-up so that the accountability on the industry was effectively
negated and others were at risk. You must be in the industry; no one
else would have such aproblem with public scrutiny. If the practice of
our sport cannot withstand public scrutiny-or if we need to hide the
facts in order to keep our businesses going-the industry ought to die
with those divers. I personally think full disclosure is always a better
route, and despite these accidents, I feel that our industry/sport can
indeed withstand said scrutiny.
>
>I only pick on Irvine because he has an inability it seems
>to speak in the appropriate forum, and because he has
>a personal vendetta against anyone who makes a
>mistake and tries to get people SUED. Doesn't do
>anyone a bit of good....just get the facts out to those
>who need to know.
It would be more accurate to say that he has a personal vendetta against
those who knowingly defend and espouse mistakes because they are either
too proud to admit when they are wrong, or when they stand to lose
financially, or both.
He calls a spade a spade, as it were. It would seem that some are
uncomfortable with this, and they are usually the ones with something to
hide.
William R. Robinson
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