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You have missed my point entirely. From your response I gather that you are confusing two different issues. One issue is the safety of deep air diving. The other is simply this: Can you prove that TDI is practicing unsafe diving instruction in its classes. I have asked you to provide me with factual information that would show us all that TDI is directly responsible for any deaths related to scuba diving, not just deep air. You have failed to provide this information. I can only assume from this that you do not have such information. From this one can only conclude that your comments are based on heresay and opinion, and should be ignored until relevant information is provided. It seems strange to me that I cannot find in any of your responses a mention of DAN, an organization that does keep track of statistics concerning dive related accidents. In order to prove your contention that TDI is responsible for deep air deaths that have occured since 1994, I suggest that you contact DAN, as a starting point, in gathering statistical information by which you can correlate scuba diving deaths with TDI certification. From there, you can probably find other organizations that keep up with relevant statistics concerning our discussion. I would be more than willing to help you in this quest. From your reference to me as "hotmail", I am assuming that you are still having difficulty with believing that I am a real person. I base this claim on the fact that my e-mail address is irrelevant to the issue at hand, and therefore must be related to some of your previous postings that have alluded to me being Brett Gilliam, which is ridiculous. As I have stated in prior postings, I can be reached at the following numbers: 205-942-2522 ex109 or 1-800-610-2522 ex109. In fact, I will be diving in North Florida caves this weekend. (Jan24-25) You could even join us. (no deep air diving, just cave diving) I'm assuming that you cave dive, which might not be the case. At any rate, this does present you the opportunity of presenting me with the results of your search. (If you have any by then) Roger >From cobber@ma*.ci*.co* Thu Jan 22 06:34:14 1998 >Received: from 206.246.204.136 by cisatlantic.com > with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for MacOS 1.0.2); 22 JAN 98 09:33:48 UT >Subject: Re: Deeptech >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 09:33:52 -0500 >x-sender: cobber@ma*.ci*.co* >x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 >From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> >To: "roger steele" <rogersteele@ho*.co*>, > "Tech Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >OK, hotmail, I give up. You are right, there is nothing wrong with >teaching deepair. What a fool I was to think this. There is nothing wrong >with this, nobody's died from deepair. All these deaths were from bad >luck. > >TDI is completely absolved of anything that has to do with divers dying >from deepair, mailorder cards, 1 day rebreather courses, instructor wah >wah dives. Rob Palmer had a heart attack. > >Narcosis can be overcome by practice. Air is great down to 240'. Trimix >is expensive waste of money, only good for 500' dives. You're right. I'm >wrong. I think I'll go out and sign up for a TDI deepair course today. I >understand the buzz is great. > > Jim > >On 1/22/98 9:01 AM roger steele wrote: > >>Forgive me for not understanding your post. Your lucid argumentation is >>sometimes overwhelming. However, my question remains unanswered by you. >>TDI was founded in 1994. The dead list is irrelevant to TDI's >>responsibility towards those deaths. 95% of the ones you have mentioned >>happened well before 1994. (Several of the names that are last on the >>list do not have dates listed. Also, one of the names on the list, >>Sheck Exley, did not die on deep air, he died using mixed gas, as a am >>sure most of the people on this e-mail list are well aware. Therefore, >>you should strike his name off the list. This raises another issue >>concerning the reliability of your list. Please provide me with the >>details of these deaths ie. . . What were the circumstances of each >>accident, were all of them in fact diving air?) You would be hard >>pressed to convince anyone that TDI's unsafe dive instruction is >>responsible for deaths happening in the 1960's. If you think this is >>indeed the case, please present your logical arguments so that I also >>can be convinced. Remember, my question is show me the statistical >>correlation between scuba diving deaths and TDI certification. In your >>comments I see nothing that is relevant to this question. Let me be as >>clear as possible, in the list that you have provided me, how many are >>TDI certified? Of the ones that are certified, (if there are any) how >>many of these deaths can you directly attribute to TDI's unsafe diving >>instuction? Please respond with factual statistics. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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