Christ, what a blow-hard.

I think that this and the other post are ample evidence that you are just 
as foul-mouthed and mean spirted as you profess George Irvine to be.

The thing is that George and the other WKPP members have ADDED to this 
sport, have EDUCATED and have HELPED more people with diving in one week 
than you have in your entire useless, lame fucking life.

But you have the pompas audacity to declare that "I wanna be a stroke, 
too" which is the techdiver equivalent of declaring that "I wanna be a 
drunk , stupid redneck drug abusing moron degenerate" and yet you seem 
proud of the statement.

Well, jerkoff, this is one "sycophant minion" who is not going to take it 
from pine-board stupid, pompous dumbasses like you anymore. I am tired of 
your foul language, slandering attitude and closed minded stupidity.

No more Mr. Niceguy.

You can put your bucket back on, now.


On 1/20/98 8:25 PM Kevin J. Freeland wrote:

>1/20/98
>
>Mr. Cobb,
>
>I have calmed down a bit since I wrote the below comments.  I suppose I 
>was venting a bit. 
>You see I am a full time dive professional and I make my living catering 
>to recreational
>divers.  
>
>In Short I was offended at the language and the manner in which people 
>were slandered.
>I don't believe anyone should publically be subjected to that manner of 
>treatment.
>
>I have since been further insulted by Susan Innes.  A person who does not 
>know me and 
>apparently does not know anything about Pensacol diving or the 
>capabilities of our 
>dive centers.
>
>I started to send you this in private but was unable to do so because of a 
>lack of a 
>working e-mail address (cobber@ci*.co* was returned to me).  I 
>really don't want
>to get involved with a pissing contest over this whole thing.  I stand by 
>what I felt and what I
>wrote.  You and your flame happy freinds must also understand that a bit 
>of the letter was deleted and 
>that affected the context of some of the statements.
>
>I appologize in advance for some of the statements below.  But, then if 
>you can dismiss the rantings 
>ROB (see below) I am sure you can understand how emotion can play into 
>these things.
>
>Safe diving,
>
>Kevin J. Freeland
>
>
>
>1/19/98
>> >
>> > Mr. Cobb,
>> >
>> > I was not surprised to find my name mentioned in one of your
>> > communications posted for public consumption on the web.  I feel that
>> if
>> >
>> > I am prepared to make a public statement I should be willing to accept
>> 
>> > whatever consequence should come of it.  However, I would like to
>> > correct you on a couple of assumptions that you have made.
>> >
>> >  I am not a member of the Brett Gilliam Fan Club.  How you conclude
>> this
>> >
>> > is understandable considering that a great deal of my letter to Deep
>> > Tech was ommitted from acutal publication.  My actual letter would of
>> > none the less probably upset you because it's content was extrememly
>> > contemptious of your friend George Irvine, who I will refer to as ROB
>> > (Rude Obscene butthead).  But regardless of how I feel about the
>> > complete lack of common courtesy and decency that ROB displays, I am
>> not
>> >
>> > now nor have I ever been a "Friend" of Brett Gilliam.  I know Brett,
>> We
>> > have on occasion shared similar interests and I don't dislike him.
>> But,
>> >
>> > I assure you that my reply was not based on some admiration for Mr.
>> > Gilliam.  My reply was based solely on my impressions of ROB that I
>> > derived from previous writings, interviews and postings to the Cavers
>> > List.  You see I don't know ROB from Adam but I do know an asshole
>> when
>> > I read one.
>> >
>> > There is no excuse nor justification for the unkind remarks made about
>> a
>> >
>> > man such as Rob Palmer.  I  only met Rob Palmer a couple of times, but
>> I
>> >
>> > had the good fortune to sit and listen to him speak about diving both
>> > formally and informally and  he was a nice fellow who I never heard
>> > utter a bad word about anyone including ROB.
>> >
>> > Before I wrote my letter to Deep Tech I logged on the net and searched
>> 
>> > out more info on ROB and the project here in Florida.  I also talked
>> to
>> > several people who know him and have worked with him.  What I found
>> > disgusted me.  How can someone who is obviously so talented and who
>> > cares about safety so much be so completely ignorant of the negative
>> > impact his manner has upon people.  His message is being lost.  People
>> 
>> > will die who could of been saved and ROB will be at fault.  At fault
>> > because he could easily influence a generation of diving pioneers
>> > positivly but instead he picks out an elitest group of  his own ass
>> > kissing buddies and forms a clique who's only obvious purpose is to
>> > cause hate and create dissention.
>> >
>> > If you can call my letter to Deep Tech slander what do you call ROB's
>> > statements.  Give me a break.  Are you so ate up with kissing ROB's
>> ass
>> > that you really think he has the right to insult women the way he
>> does?
>> > If he spoke about my wife the way he has addressed some of the women
>> he
>> > has flamed I would kick his ass from morning till midnight.  What a
>> joke
>> >
>> > he is.  My real oppinion and one that did not make it into Deep Tech
>> is
>> > that anyone who makes comments such as his on the web is probably a
>> > coward.  A coward who lacks the balls to confront someone face to
>> face.
>> > I also beleive that for all ROB's intelligence he is probably an
>> > intellectual midget resorting to insults and profanity because he
>> lacks
>> > the verbal skills to express himself properly.  I suppose he thinks
>> that
>> >
>> > if he just puts his hands over his ears and shouts loud enough he will
>> 
>> > win whatever argument he is in.   Reminds me of a 5 yr. old.
>> >
>> > ROB is protected by the constitution.  I believe in his right to free
>> > speech.  I spent ten years of my life willing to put my life on the
>> line
>> >
>> > for his right to insult people and call them names.  Likewise if I
>> come
>> > across someone who is a disgusting asshole I have the right to say so
>> > and I will continue to do so.  I have yet to be presented with any
>> > evidence that shows that ROB is anything more than a loudmouthed,
>> > profane bully.  If you are aware of any then I would be willing to
>> read
>> > it or hear it.  Til then, my oppinion stands.
>> >
>> > I can understand your disgust and or hatred for Brett Gilliam.  Brett
>> > seems to inspire such emotions in people.  I can take him or leave
>> him.
>> > As a former NAUI employee I worked with him on a few projects when he
>> > was a member of our board.  He is loud, his is strongly oppinionated
>> and
>> >
>> > as such will probalby have personality difficulties with many people.
>> >
>> > I won't bother starting a debate regarding tech diving or specifically
>> 
>> > deep air diving.  To do so would be pointless.  I don't agree with
>> > everything that TDI does no more than I agree with everything NAUI or
>> > PADI or anyone does for that matter.
>> >
>> > Diving is inherently dangerous.  There are no gurantees.  There are no
>> 
>> > single "Best Ways".   There are no single best regulators.  ETC.  If
>> we
>> > get wet, we take a greater risk than if we stay dry.  On air, on
>> > enriched air, or trimix on rebreather, it does not matter, we are
>> still
>> > at greater risk than if we were at home watching Montel Williams.
>> >
>> > It comes down to informed consent and a self determination of
>> acceptable
>> >
>> > risk.  That will always be a personal choice.
>> >
>> > Our dive centers do not cater to extremists from any camp.  We provide
>> 
>> > traditional recreational diver support services.  I have no interest
>> in
>> > catereing to rude or obscene assholes.  We frequently have women and
>> > children in our stores and would not want them offended by the foul
>> > stench that flows from the mouths of ROB and I must assume his
>> > proteges.  If people who subscribe to the advice you so freely give
>> are
>> > anything like ROB or are narrow minded sychophants such as yourself we
>> 
>> > do not want or need their patronage.
>> >
>> > It is a shame that this filth spills out into the public light.  I was
>> 
>> > actually offended that Deep Tech published it at all.  I told them so
>> in
>> >
>> > my letter.  I thought I knew Fred Garth better than that.  But Brett
>> > owns the magazine and I am sure his personal agendas will always be
>> put
>> > forth.  It is still unfortunate that kids such as mine, 14 & 12 who
>> are
>> > excited about diving can come across this crap both on the net and in
>> > print.  Shame on ROB for abusing his authoritative position, Shame on
>> > Deep Tech for publishing the profanity, Shame on Brett for using a
>> > public forum for a personal agenda, Shame on you for defending such
>> > dishonorable behavior by insulting me, Shame on me for wasting my time
>> 
>> > on the lot of you in the first place.
>> >
>> > Safe diving,
>> >
>> > Kevin J. Freeland
>> 
>
>
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