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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:34:04 -0500
To: "Kevin J. Freeland" <Kevin@fl*.co*>
From: premier@ma*.ac*.ne* (susan m. innes)
Subject: Re: Give me a break
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Kevin,
 you wrote:
>
>Susan, I was unaware that I had offended you or slighted you to such an
>extent that you would resort to putting such absolute crap on the web.


It's a newsgroup forum, not the web. Kevin you have not offended me. I'm
sorry if I offended you.  What offended me was that Scott wrote that
Divepros was the best bar none on a techdiver/cavers forum when by his own
later admission Divepros is not a technical shop

You wrote:
>I see that you were embarrassed to admit that you were a NAUI CD.  Why
>is that?

I am certainly NOT embarrased to be a NAUI Course Director and love and
respect NAUI in the recreational industry and have NOT wavered in my support
for their recreational program ever. I don't agency shop.  Because I was
expressing my viewpoint and not representing NAUI's I felt it would not be
fair to name the agency, but now that you have I am proud of it my NAUI
credentials and always have been.  Unlike you I don't jump from agency to
agnecy, year to year.  It is your right to switch back and forth but where's
the consistency?

You wrote:
>
>We don't do cattle boats.  I don't evern own a boat.  All of our
>charters are six pack and custom trips.  Get a clue.
>

Are you disavowing any connection with the "new" Easy Diver now? Although, I
will admit that I may have been strong is saying Divepros did cattle boats.
In truth Divepros does recreational divers.

You wrote:
>No we don't cater to the fringe group.  

So is this your opinion of technical and cavers or just cavers? 

You wrote:
But we do know what we are
>doing.  Have you ever seen our nitrox station?  Are you aware that we
>bank 32% (over 8,000 cubic feet) and that we can and do make custom
>blends for whatever divers need.  We also have the capability to blend
>trimix.  And we have blended trimix. 

Give me a break?  How many tri-mix fills did your shops do last year?  I
knew you had banks. I will admit though that I didn't know you were pumping
helium at all.  I will stop by to see the set up. What do you charge?  I did
hear someone say you had to order the blend 48 hours in advance, but I
didn't believe them because I din't think you were pumping helium at all. So
is the system off site?


You wrote:
 Don't slander me, my brother or my
>shops without knowing what the hell you are talking about.

I'm not slandering anyone. I'm giving my viewpoint and I stand by it.

You wrote:
>MBT a former plumber who got bored and is now struggeling to make it in
>the real world.

Plumbers who change profession are not deserving of respect? What other
professions do you feel this way about?  I meet people who don't respect
dive owners.

You wrote:
  How long do you think he will last.  I give it one
>maybe two more seasons.  in the meantime we are celebrating our 10th
>year in business.

I do salute your accomplishments in the recreational field although as
stated previously I'm not sure why you guys change agencies etc. You have
grown and prospered.  But don't force out the little guys or fault people
for starting a new business. Others can do the same too.

You wrote:
>You are an outsider here.  If only you knew.  The horror stories of how
>MBT does business.  How they train divers, where they train divers, to
>what standard they train divers.  You don't have a clue and now that you
>have opened your mouth the world will know it too.

If you are implying MBT does not train its recreational students to
standards - you are wrong.

>
>You are right our boats are typically set up for recreational dives.
>That is what the majority of the world does.  Why should I set up dives
>for hopeless buttheads who log on the web and flame the rest of the
>world because they prefer to dive within standard recreational limits.

I don't flame recreational divers. I am one, I started as one and I make
recreational dives on occasion.

You wrote:
>I can't believe you are defending a profane, asshole like George Irvine

I leave the defense of George to Scott and Heather, your two instructors.
And of course, George defends himself.
>

You wrote:
>Another typical flame from behind a desk in a dark room.  Meet me face
>to face Ms. Innes.  Tell your lies to me face to face.  

I have no lies to tell, I speak the truth as I see it. Let's go dive the
Ozark together and see who does the tech diving.

You wrote:

Unlike you I >don't have the luxury to sit back and call people names.  I
make my
>living in this industry.  Diving is not my hobby it is my job.  

I admit diving is not my source of support. (My source of support ranks
below dive shop owners and plumbers in terms of respect from the general
population)  Diving is a hobby for me, one I pursue avidly. Speaking of
calling people names: What was that you were saying about a plumber earlier
in this post?


susan

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