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Art, this is a classic "for a friend post". The corect procedure is to
not dive with anyone who is stupid enough to use the wrong gear. This is
known as Rule Number One. Screw these personal preference assholes - do
it right, and do it with people who do it right, only.



Paltz, Art wrote:
> 
> I've got a question/suggestion.  I don't dive with OMS wings but a
> friend does.  Since reading the list I've thought about "what/if" he had
> a problem.  Although I've never tested it, because he'd get pissed, I've
> always thought if he had a lift problem I'd just cut the bungee thinking
> it would allow more air to effortlessly enter the wings.  If this works
> then why didn't someone with loads of experience cut the cord?  I'd
> think this would be the easiest way to "solve" the bondage problem if
> only in an emergency situation.  Now if I were narc'd on nitrogen then
> maybe I wouldn't think to cut the bungee.  If this solution won't work
> then sorry and please explain why.  I've only seen these wings and never
> used them.
> 
> Thanks way in advance and hope it's helpful,
> Safe diving,
> Art.
> art.paltz@r2*.co*
> Last Dive 1/10/98, Klondike Rocks (lobster dive),
>         NJ 75ft/65 min bottom time, 43 degrees F, 40% bottom mix.
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From:   G. Irvine [SMTP:gmirvine@sa*.ne*]
>         Sent:   Monday, January 19, 1998 9:25 AM
>         To:     w wittman
>         Cc:     techdiver; cavers@ww*.ge*.co*
>         Subject:        Re: Added info re three missing in WPB
> 
>         Wings with bungees are ridiculous- they will exert pressure
> against the
>         inflation, and cause the opv to dump well below what the ambient
>         pressure would. They are obviously going to present a massively
>         dangerous static lung load if you try to inflate them manually.
> 
>          If you tie them too tight to start with, which many of these
> dopes do
>         because they think it is less "drag", they will not give much
> lift.
>         There have been other acidents associated with this, so I
> believe they
>         are now shipped out without the bungeess tied, so this is done
> at the
>         dive shop, or by the end user. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........
> 
>          The drag issue is realy FAS - the bungied surface causes
> massive vortex
>         shedding and increases drag, not to mention the entangling
> capabilities
>         of all of the bungee and other dangling stupidity associtated
> with these
>         wet dream wings. If you have to add volume to get lift, it will
> be the
>         same volume on any wing, so you want the wing whos shape most
> closely
>         conforms to the gear, as does the Dive Rite wing which lays
> tight to the
>         tank and wraps up around it, with smooth surfaces, already in
> the slip
>         stream.
> 
>          There is also the problem of two inflators on some of these, a
> real
>         boondoggle . You can immagine the degree of clustery that get
> set up
>         with that arrangement.
> 
>          The fact is that if you dive the right gear to start with, none
> of this
>         tekkie stupidity is necesasry. If you dive steel in the ocean,
> use a
>         drysuit. If not, use aluminum tanks. Real simple, real
> efficient.
> 
>          If you dive in the ocean, use aluminium deco bottles. Real
> simple. We
>         found this out a long time ago, we execute these dives with no
> problem,
>         and you can ask Capt Jim Mimms, he has watched this for years,
> as have
>         his predecessors and succesors in the dive boat business. My
> guys cause
>         no problems other than hammering the strokes on the boat.
> 
>         w wittman wrote:
>         >
>         >
>         > George, no doubt you have done before...but could you
> elaborate on "bondage
>         > wings" and your objection to them?
>         > thanks
>         >
>         >
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