John

Its a good thing that I am no longer married too.  I recent bought my   
Gavin Scooter JUST FOR FUN on wreck dives.  Try explaining that.

David Shimell
Project Manager, Sequent Computer Systems Ltd, Weybridge, UK
Email: shimell@se*.co*

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From:  owner-techdiver[SMTP:owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com]
Sent:  14 January 1998 08:53
To:  ken
Cc:  gzambeck; gmirvine; hpetew; wwm; Diver69500; techdiver; cavers
Subject:  Re: Georges comments on myself being a moron

Ken,

Its a good thing that I am no longer married. I would have a heck of
a time explaining why I have two gavin scooters as life support.
More life to support? ;-)

 -John

>
> Agreed.
>
> I've had my scooter for quite awhile now and the only problem I ever
> had with it was explaining to my wife that it was life support and
> needed.
>
> Ken
>
> > From:          "pete wallace" <hpetew@gt*.ne*>
> > To:            "Greg Zambeck" <gzambeck@us*.ne*>,   
<gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > Cc:            <wwm@sa*.ne*>, "Diver69500" <Diver69500@ao*.co*>,
> >                <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>
> > Subject:       Re: Georges comments on myself being a moron
> > Date:          Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:14:32 -0500
>
> > Greg,
> > I for one, am becoming tired of this scooter bullshit, not to mention   
your
> > usual grammatical ineptitude.
> >
> > I have had one of George's scooters for over a year, have put some   
serious
> > dives on it and have never had the slightest problem.
> > I suspect you and your buddies may have some other agenda than just   
the
> > scooters so why don't you just come to the point and leave the   
scooters
> > alone?
> >
> > Mine works fine, everyone else I know who has one of these reports   
their
> > scooters works fine. We are more than pleased with the support   
provided by
> > George. If I were to have a problem, I believe George would stand   
behind
his
> > product.
> >
> > These machines are quality. Witness the record dives as evidence. If   
you
> > can, why don't you show us some records set on other scooters?
> >
> > Perhaps you know of some scooters that are infallible, if you do, I   
hope
you
> > would share this with the list.
> >
> > Greg, it is my humble belief you would not know quality if it were to   
bite
> > you on the ass.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Zambeck <gzambeck@us*.ne*>
> > To: gmirvine@sa*.ne* <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > Cc: wwm@sa*.ne* <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Diver69500 <Diver69500@ao*.co*>;
> > techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; cavers@ww*.ge*.co*
> > <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>
> > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 5:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Georges comments on myself being a moron
> >
> >
> > >George
> > >
> > >Have you ever though about making a product right the first time   
instead
of
> > >having to tell us how fast you can fix it the second.  Sound like   
you
don't
> > >have much of a Quality assurance program for your product, it's   
assembly
or
> > >it's performance with motors burning out in 30 minutes.
> > >
> > >Instead of beating away on you computer keyboard why don't you   
set-up a
> > >computerized test fixture to make sure the product has been   
throughly
> > >tested before the customer does it for you.
> > >
> > >When the customer is telling us they only work good for 90% of the   
time
> > >something is missing from the design, the product testing or its   
rated
> > >performance.
> > >
> > >But then this seems to be the way you do everything, wait till it   
breaks
or
> > >gets bent before you start fixing it.
> > >
> > >Greg Z.
> > >
> > >----------
> > >> From: G. Irvine <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > >> To: Greg Zambeck <gzambeck@us*.ne*>
> > >> Cc: wwm@sa*.ne*; Diver69500 <Diver69500@ao*.co*>;
> > >techdiver@aquanaut.com; cavers@ww*.ge*.co*
> > >> Subject: Re: Georges comments on myself being a moron
> > >> Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 6:45 PM
> > >>
> > >> Greg, this is just so they can get repair practice. You charge for   
dive
> > >> instruction, and why should somebody have to pay for something   
that
they
> > >> have to get CORRECTED as soon as they get it?
> > >>
> > >> Only a Zambeckian Moron, much like yourself, would get on here and   
say
> > >> the things you say, like the "comforatable on air" comment. Greg,   
if
you
> > >> are a blithering idiot at one atmosphere, what happens on air to   
you at
> > >> a few atmospheres, other than you like the buzz?
> > >>
> > >> I feel real comfortable on air, but it makes me like you - a dumb   
ass,
> > >> and like you , I don't know it.
> > >>
> > >> Anyone who showed up at one of our dives looking like you ,   
talking
like
> > >> you , acting like you , or thinking like you would first get   
laughed
at,
> > >> and then shown the door, and that is before any of our hard core   
even
> > >> got a shot at you.
> > >>
> > >> Greg Zambeck wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Why should a diver spend that much money for a product that has   
to be
> > >> > reparied as soon as you by it?
> > >> >
> > >> > ----------
> > >> > > From: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>
> > >> > > To: Diver69500 <Diver69500@ao*.co*>
> > >> > > Cc: gmirvine@sa*.ne*; techdiver@aquanaut.com;
cavers@ww*.ge*.co*
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Georges comments on myself trying to sell a   
scooter
> > >> > > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 7:52 PM
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Charles,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Goerge is completely correct. Farallons are marginally   
reliable and
> > >> > > impractical for any serious socalled "technical" diving. You   
have
> > >> > > obviously concluded this yourself and this is why you are   
selling
the
> > >> > > damn thing.  BTW, since when is Peter Vicker's a "legitimate"
> > >company?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Your childish comments about Jason and Tom's scooters   
constructed
by
> > >us
> > >> > > are uninformed rubbish. Your socalled "technical" diving   
buddies
> > >> > > couldn't even repair a "complex device" like a  reed switch   
and
> > >returned
> > >> > > the entire scooter which George immediately repaired and   
returned
to
> > >> > > them.  As for the length of the scooters being different this   
is
> > >utter
> > >> > > nonsense. The bodies are precisely cut and turned on a CNC   
lathe
and
> > >are
> > >> > > very accurate.  You are mistakenly referring to the internal
bulkhead
> > >> > > spacing on the batteries which only serves to prove that you   
have
no
> > >> > > idea of what you are talking about and is yet another reason   
why
you
> > >> > > should call the make a wish foundation to remove your Farallon
> > >> > > immediately.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The original motor is manufactured by Oceanic (Mako) and they   
do
not
> > >> > > warrant this motor; however George does accept full   
responsiblity
for
> > >> > > the motor and replaces or repairs, at his often considerable
expense
> > >any
> > >> > > problem motors. George personally dismantles, tests and   
reassembles
> > >the
> > >> > > Mako motors upon receiving them from the factory.  These shunt
wound
> > >> > > fractional horsepower DC electric motors are not high   
technology
> > >devices
> > >> > > and like anything else are subject to failure.  George   
personally
> > >> > > warrants these devices despite the fact that the manufacturer
accepts
> > >no
> > >> > > responsibility. Any WKPP scooter which experiences a problem   
or has
> > >been
> > >> > > damaged in such cataclysmic events as a car accident have been
> > >repaired
> > >> > > by George at no charge.  I can assure you that the failure   
modes
on a
> > >> > > WKPP scooter are significantly less than anything else out   
there.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > As for the buoyancy, Jason and Tom were informed that the
ballasting
> > >of
> > >> > > the scooters must be changed for usage in salt water. An   
addtional
2
> > >lbs
> > >> > > of weight must be added to the unit to neutralize it for usage   
in
> > >> > > seawater, although a highly technical concept such as water   
density
> > >> > > might elude certain individuals. With respect to the speed   
these
> > >systems
> > >> > > are not designed to be extremely fast (150 - 200 fpm), but   
rather
> > >very
> > >> > > reliable. All of the WKPPs extreme exposure long range cave   
dives
> > >have
> > >> > > been accomplished with these scooters and nobody is still in   
the
> > >cave.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > You comments are incoherent, ill advised and only demonstrate   
why
you
> > >> > > should probably sell all of your dive gear and take up golf.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Regards,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Bill Mee
> >
> >
>

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