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Ken, Its a good thing that I am no longer married. I would have a heck of a time explaining why I have two gavin scooters as life support. More life to support? ;-) -John > > Agreed. > > I've had my scooter for quite awhile now and the only problem I ever > had with it was explaining to my wife that it was life support and > needed. > > Ken > > > From: "pete wallace" <hpetew@gt*.ne*> > > To: "Greg Zambeck" <gzambeck@us*.ne*>, <gmirvine@sa*.ne*> > > Cc: <wwm@sa*.ne*>, "Diver69500" <Diver69500@ao*.co*>, > > <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*> > > Subject: Re: Georges comments on myself being a moron > > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:14:32 -0500 > > > Greg, > > I for one, am becoming tired of this scooter bullshit, not to mention your > > usual grammatical ineptitude. > > > > I have had one of George's scooters for over a year, have put some serious > > dives on it and have never had the slightest problem. > > I suspect you and your buddies may have some other agenda than just the > > scooters so why don't you just come to the point and leave the scooters > > alone? > > > > Mine works fine, everyone else I know who has one of these reports their > > scooters works fine. We are more than pleased with the support provided by > > George. If I were to have a problem, I believe George would stand behind his > > product. > > > > These machines are quality. Witness the record dives as evidence. If you > > can, why don't you show us some records set on other scooters? > > > > Perhaps you know of some scooters that are infallible, if you do, I hope you > > would share this with the list. > > > > Greg, it is my humble belief you would not know quality if it were to bite > > you on the ass. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Zambeck <gzambeck@us*.ne*> > > To: gmirvine@sa*.ne* <gmirvine@sa*.ne*> > > Cc: wwm@sa*.ne* <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Diver69500 <Diver69500@ao*.co*>; > > techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; cavers@ww*.ge*.co* > > <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*> > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 5:12 PM > > Subject: Re: Georges comments on myself being a moron > > > > > > >George > > > > > >Have you ever though about making a product right the first time instead of > > >having to tell us how fast you can fix it the second. Sound like you don't > > >have much of a Quality assurance program for your product, it's assembly or > > >it's performance with motors burning out in 30 minutes. > > > > > >Instead of beating away on you computer keyboard why don't you set-up a > > >computerized test fixture to make sure the product has been throughly > > >tested before the customer does it for you. > > > > > >When the customer is telling us they only work good for 90% of the time > > >something is missing from the design, the product testing or its rated > > >performance. > > > > > >But then this seems to be the way you do everything, wait till it breaks or > > >gets bent before you start fixing it. > > > > > >Greg Z. > > > > > >---------- > > >> From: G. Irvine <gmirvine@sa*.ne*> > > >> To: Greg Zambeck <gzambeck@us*.ne*> > > >> Cc: wwm@sa*.ne*; Diver69500 <Diver69500@ao*.co*>; > > >techdiver@aquanaut.com; cavers@ww*.ge*.co* > > >> Subject: Re: Georges comments on myself being a moron > > >> Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 6:45 PM > > >> > > >> Greg, this is just so they can get repair practice. You charge for dive > > >> instruction, and why should somebody have to pay for something that they > > >> have to get CORRECTED as soon as they get it? > > >> > > >> Only a Zambeckian Moron, much like yourself, would get on here and say > > >> the things you say, like the "comforatable on air" comment. Greg, if you > > >> are a blithering idiot at one atmosphere, what happens on air to you at > > >> a few atmospheres, other than you like the buzz? > > >> > > >> I feel real comfortable on air, but it makes me like you - a dumb ass, > > >> and like you , I don't know it. > > >> > > >> Anyone who showed up at one of our dives looking like you , talking like > > >> you , acting like you , or thinking like you would first get laughed at, > > >> and then shown the door, and that is before any of our hard core even > > >> got a shot at you. > > >> > > >> Greg Zambeck wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Why should a diver spend that much money for a product that has to be > > >> > reparied as soon as you by it? > > >> > > > >> > ---------- > > >> > > From: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*> > > >> > > To: Diver69500 <Diver69500@ao*.co*> > > >> > > Cc: gmirvine@sa*.ne*; techdiver@aquanaut.com; cavers@ww*.ge*.co* > > >> > > Subject: Re: Georges comments on myself trying to sell a scooter > > >> > > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 7:52 PM > > >> > > > > >> > > Charles, > > >> > > > > >> > > Goerge is completely correct. Farallons are marginally reliable and > > >> > > impractical for any serious socalled "technical" diving. You have > > >> > > obviously concluded this yourself and this is why you are selling the > > >> > > damn thing. BTW, since when is Peter Vicker's a "legitimate" > > >company? > > >> > > > > >> > > Your childish comments about Jason and Tom's scooters constructed by > > >us > > >> > > are uninformed rubbish. Your socalled "technical" diving buddies > > >> > > couldn't even repair a "complex device" like a reed switch and > > >returned > > >> > > the entire scooter which George immediately repaired and returned to > > >> > > them. As for the length of the scooters being different this is > > >utter > > >> > > nonsense. The bodies are precisely cut and turned on a CNC lathe and > > >are > > >> > > very accurate. You are mistakenly referring to the internal bulkhead > > >> > > spacing on the batteries which only serves to prove that you have no > > >> > > idea of what you are talking about and is yet another reason why you > > >> > > should call the make a wish foundation to remove your Farallon > > >> > > immediately. > > >> > > > > >> > > The original motor is manufactured by Oceanic (Mako) and they do not > > >> > > warrant this motor; however George does accept full responsiblity for > > >> > > the motor and replaces or repairs, at his often considerable expense > > >any > > >> > > problem motors. George personally dismantles, tests and reassembles > > >the > > >> > > Mako motors upon receiving them from the factory. These shunt wound > > >> > > fractional horsepower DC electric motors are not high technology > > >devices > > >> > > and like anything else are subject to failure. George personally > > >> > > warrants these devices despite the fact that the manufacturer accepts > > >no > > >> > > responsibility. Any WKPP scooter which experiences a problem or has > > >been > > >> > > damaged in such cataclysmic events as a car accident have been > > >repaired > > >> > > by George at no charge. I can assure you that the failure modes on a > > >> > > WKPP scooter are significantly less than anything else out there. > > >> > > > > >> > > As for the buoyancy, Jason and Tom were informed that the ballasting > > >of > > >> > > the scooters must be changed for usage in salt water. An addtional 2 > > >lbs > > >> > > of weight must be added to the unit to neutralize it for usage in > > >> > > seawater, although a highly technical concept such as water density > > >> > > might elude certain individuals. With respect to the speed these > > >systems > > >> > > are not designed to be extremely fast (150 - 200 fpm), but rather > > >very > > >> > > reliable. All of the WKPPs extreme exposure long range cave dives > > >have > > >> > > been accomplished with these scooters and nobody is still in the > > >cave. > > >> > > > > >> > > You comments are incoherent, ill advised and only demonstrate why you > > >> > > should probably sell all of your dive gear and take up golf. > > >> > > > > >> > > Regards, > > >> > > > > >> > > Bill Mee > > > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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