Greg,
I for one, am becoming tired of this scooter bullshit, not to mention your
usual grammatical ineptitude.

I have had one of George's scooters for over a year, have put some serious
dives on it and have never had the slightest problem.
I suspect you and your buddies may have some other agenda than just the
scooters so why don't you just come to the point and leave the scooters
alone?

Mine works fine, everyone else I know who has one of these reports their
scooters works fine. We are more than pleased with the support provided by
George. If I were to have a problem, I believe George would stand behind his
product.

These machines are quality. Witness the record dives as evidence. If you
can, why don't you show us some records set on other scooters?

Perhaps you know of some scooters that are infallible, if you do, I hope you
would share this with the list.

Greg, it is my humble belief you would not know quality if it were to bite
you on the ass.


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Zambeck <gzambeck@us*.ne*>
To: gmirvine@sa*.ne* <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Cc: wwm@sa*.ne* <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Diver69500 <Diver69500@ao*.co*>;
techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; cavers@ww*.ge*.co*
<cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Georges comments on myself being a moron


>George
>
>Have you ever though about making a product right the first time instead of
>having to tell us how fast you can fix it the second.  Sound like you don't
>have much of a Quality assurance program for your product, it's assembly or
>it's performance with motors burning out in 30 minutes.
>
>Instead of beating away on you computer keyboard why don't you set-up a
>computerized test fixture to make sure the product has been throughly
>tested before the customer does it for you.
>
>When the customer is telling us they only work good for 90% of the time
>something is missing from the design, the product testing or its rated
>performance.
>
>But then this seems to be the way you do everything, wait till it breaks or
>gets bent before you start fixing it.
>
>Greg Z.
>
>----------
>> From: G. Irvine <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
>> To: Greg Zambeck <gzambeck@us*.ne*>
>> Cc: wwm@sa*.ne*; Diver69500 <Diver69500@ao*.co*>;
>techdiver@aquanaut.com; cavers@ww*.ge*.co*
>> Subject: Re: Georges comments on myself being a moron
>> Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 6:45 PM
>>
>> Greg, this is just so they can get repair practice. You charge for dive
>> instruction, and why should somebody have to pay for something that they
>> have to get CORRECTED as soon as they get it?
>>
>> Only a Zambeckian Moron, much like yourself, would get on here and say
>> the things you say, like the "comforatable on air" comment. Greg, if you
>> are a blithering idiot at one atmosphere, what happens on air to you at
>> a few atmospheres, other than you like the buzz?
>>
>> I feel real comfortable on air, but it makes me like you - a dumb ass,
>> and like you , I don't know it.
>>
>> Anyone who showed up at one of our dives looking like you , talking like
>> you , acting like you , or thinking like you would first get laughed at,
>> and then shown the door, and that is before any of our hard core even
>> got a shot at you.
>>
>> Greg Zambeck wrote:
>> >
>> > Why should a diver spend that much money for a product that has to be
>> > reparied as soon as you by it?
>> >
>> > ----------
>> > > From: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>
>> > > To: Diver69500 <Diver69500@ao*.co*>
>> > > Cc: gmirvine@sa*.ne*; techdiver@aquanaut.com; cavers@ww*.ge*.co*
>> > > Subject: Re: Georges comments on myself trying to sell a scooter
>> > > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 7:52 PM
>> > >
>> > > Charles,
>> > >
>> > > Goerge is completely correct. Farallons are marginally reliable and
>> > > impractical for any serious socalled "technical" diving. You have
>> > > obviously concluded this yourself and this is why you are selling the
>> > > damn thing.  BTW, since when is Peter Vicker's a "legitimate"
>company?
>> > >
>> > > Your childish comments about Jason and Tom's scooters constructed by
>us
>> > > are uninformed rubbish. Your socalled "technical" diving buddies
>> > > couldn't even repair a "complex device" like a  reed switch and
>returned
>> > > the entire scooter which George immediately repaired and returned to
>> > > them.  As for the length of the scooters being different this is
>utter
>> > > nonsense. The bodies are precisely cut and turned on a CNC lathe and
>are
>> > > very accurate.  You are mistakenly referring to the internal bulkhead
>> > > spacing on the batteries which only serves to prove that you have no
>> > > idea of what you are talking about and is yet another reason why you
>> > > should call the make a wish foundation to remove your Farallon
>> > > immediately.
>> > >
>> > > The original motor is manufactured by Oceanic (Mako) and they do not
>> > > warrant this motor; however George does accept full responsiblity for
>> > > the motor and replaces or repairs, at his often considerable expense
>any
>> > > problem motors. George personally dismantles, tests and reassembles
>the
>> > > Mako motors upon receiving them from the factory.  These shunt wound
>> > > fractional horsepower DC electric motors are not high technology
>devices
>> > > and like anything else are subject to failure.  George personally
>> > > warrants these devices despite the fact that the manufacturer accepts
>no
>> > > responsibility. Any WKPP scooter which experiences a problem or has
>been
>> > > damaged in such cataclysmic events as a car accident have been
>repaired
>> > > by George at no charge.  I can assure you that the failure modes on a
>> > > WKPP scooter are significantly less than anything else out there.
>> > >
>> > > As for the buoyancy, Jason and Tom were informed that the ballasting
>of
>> > > the scooters must be changed for usage in salt water. An addtional 2
>lbs
>> > > of weight must be added to the unit to neutralize it for usage in
>> > > seawater, although a highly technical concept such as water density
>> > > might elude certain individuals. With respect to the speed these
>systems
>> > > are not designed to be extremely fast (150 - 200 fpm), but rather
>very
>> > > reliable. All of the WKPPs extreme exposure long range cave dives
>have
>> > > been accomplished with these scooters and nobody is still in the
>cave.
>> > >
>> > > You comments are incoherent, ill advised and only demonstrate why you
>> > > should probably sell all of your dive gear and take up golf.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Bill Mee

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