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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:45:12 -0500
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Greg Zambeck <gzambeck@us*.ne*>
CC: wwm@sa*.ne*, Diver69500 <Diver69500@ao*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com,
     cavers@ww*.ge*.co*
Subject: Re: Georges comments on myself being a moron
Greg, this is just so they can get repair practice. You charge for dive
instruction, and why should somebody have to pay for something that they
have to get CORRECTED as soon as they get it?

Only a Zambeckian Moron, much like yourself, would get on here and say
the things you say, like the "comforatable on air" comment. Greg, if you
are a blithering idiot at one atmosphere, what happens on air to you at
a few atmospheres, other than you like the buzz?

I feel real comfortable on air, but it makes me like you - a dumb ass,
and like you , I don't know it.

Anyone who showed up at one of our dives looking like you , talking like
you , acting like you , or thinking like you would first get laughed at,
and then shown the door, and that is before any of our hard core even
got a shot at you. 

Greg Zambeck wrote:
> 
> Why should a diver spend that much money for a product that has to be
> reparied as soon as you by it?
> 
> ----------
> > From: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>
> > To: Diver69500 <Diver69500@ao*.co*>
> > Cc: gmirvine@sa*.ne*; techdiver@aquanaut.com; cavers@ww*.ge*.co*
> > Subject: Re: Georges comments on myself trying to sell a scooter
> > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 7:52 PM
> >
> > Charles,
> >
> > Goerge is completely correct. Farallons are marginally reliable and
> > impractical for any serious socalled "technical" diving. You have
> > obviously concluded this yourself and this is why you are selling the
> > damn thing.  BTW, since when is Peter Vicker's a "legitimate" company?
> >
> > Your childish comments about Jason and Tom's scooters constructed by us
> > are uninformed rubbish. Your socalled "technical" diving buddies
> > couldn't even repair a "complex device" like a  reed switch and returned
> > the entire scooter which George immediately repaired and returned to
> > them.  As for the length of the scooters being different this is utter
> > nonsense. The bodies are precisely cut and turned on a CNC lathe and are
> > very accurate.  You are mistakenly referring to the internal bulkhead
> > spacing on the batteries which only serves to prove that you have no
> > idea of what you are talking about and is yet another reason why you
> > should call the make a wish foundation to remove your Farallon
> > immediately.
> >
> > The original motor is manufactured by Oceanic (Mako) and they do not
> > warrant this motor; however George does accept full responsiblity for
> > the motor and replaces or repairs, at his often considerable expense any
> > problem motors. George personally dismantles, tests and reassembles the
> > Mako motors upon receiving them from the factory.  These shunt wound
> > fractional horsepower DC electric motors are not high technology devices
> > and like anything else are subject to failure.  George personally
> > warrants these devices despite the fact that the manufacturer accepts no
> > responsibility. Any WKPP scooter which experiences a problem or has been
> > damaged in such cataclysmic events as a car accident have been repaired
> > by George at no charge.  I can assure you that the failure modes on a
> > WKPP scooter are significantly less than anything else out there.
> >
> > As for the buoyancy, Jason and Tom were informed that the ballasting of
> > the scooters must be changed for usage in salt water. An addtional 2 lbs
> > of weight must be added to the unit to neutralize it for usage in
> > seawater, although a highly technical concept such as water density
> > might elude certain individuals. With respect to the speed these systems
> > are not designed to be extremely fast (150 - 200 fpm), but rather very
> > reliable. All of the WKPPs extreme exposure long range cave dives have
> > been accomplished with these scooters and nobody is still in the cave.
> >
> > You comments are incoherent, ill advised and only demonstrate why you
> > should probably sell all of your dive gear and take up golf.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bill Mee
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