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Steve, while we appear to be open to anyone at WKPP, and I do encourage ignoramuses like yourslef to come see just how far off base they really are, a guy with your attitude would not make it out of the parking lot before a guy like Scarabin or Sankey had already thown you out head first. I have seen some of my guys drag strokes out of the ater. I watched Carson make a "stroke arrest" on one jerk, who like you, thought that dropping down deep on air ( in basicly open water ) was a smart thing. Carson ran him down and rescued him to the surface, and threw him out. If you or anyone else can explain a gear config to me that makes sense, I will listen and not laugh. You can't do it. The two fingers thing is an example of bullshit beyond the pale. I use two fingers to do everything, and only one finger to deal with bullshit like you write. The reason that most deep air accidents are not in caves is definitional - until recently , everyone thought that the sixty or so deaths in the 120-170 range were some unexplained phenomenon. The fact is they were screwups, and screwups are easier when impaired to ANY degree. Notice that in Mexico , where the caves are ten feet deep, the only guys who get killed are open water divers, and the cave divers who get killed ( exing out students of horrendous drunken strokes) were killed in the 80 foot range on air - got turned arouned, and those caves are far more complex and confusing than anything we have in Tallhassee at 300 feet. I bet a tough guy like you would not get turned around at 80 feet on air, right? You have deep air training, and are good on air, I bet. I bet I could have you clawing at the ceiling five minutes into a dive with me, and selling your gear in embarrassment. Steve, wake the hell up - getting high and diving don't mix in any environment. Steve Schinke wrote: > > first off i don't try to tell anyone how to dive. whereas some things > are blatently wrong others are a mater of personal style and comfort. > like gear congiguration. i know a gut with only two fingers on his > right hand and hes alot shorter than i am so his gear config is > different because he is physically diffeant. It doesn't make it wrong. > > second if i do come down and visit the WKPP it will be to learn a thing > or two not to teach (although it is a very stupid man who thinks that he > has nothing to learn) > > third, i am not an advocate of deep air diving in overhead environments. > deep caves are a good way to get killed if you don't take advantage of > modern tech. > > "mother nature provided the planet Earth with a Nitrox atmoshphere know > as air. She never said that air was the best breathing medium for > divers. Here, as in many other fields of endeavor, human beings have > used their knowledge of natural laws to go one step beyond what nature > has provided for them." > J. Morgan Wells, Ph.D > > Safe Diving > > STEVE > >Stebve, maybe you could come down here and train the WKPP so we could > be > >the kind of big time diver you are, and then we would save a lot of > >money on gas. Tell me how this is done, and tell us all about you great > >experience, knowledge and accompishments with your special ability . > > > > > >Steve Schinke wrote: > >> > >> I believe that deep air is an individual thing. If you want to dive > to > >> 400 feet on air then fine if you want to dive to 130 then fine too. > I > >> think that limiting yourself to 130 because of narcosis is a personal > >> thing. some people are affected much sooner than that and some much > >> lated. In any event narcosis CAN be largely psychological and can > >> definately be controlled. The reason dives are limited to 130 is > >> because of no decompression diving since deco diving is a regularly > >> practiced thing then why the limit? If its personal then thats fine > but > >> trying to limit it seems silly O2 tox is a good reason and on air > with a > >> PP of 1.6 you are at 218. Me telling someone how deep they can dive > is > >> like me telling somone how high they can climb(for those of you > >> flatlanders living in florida I am refering to rock climbing) > >> > >> Make a personal choice and don't be flaming others because theres is > >> differnent. every one is different and at a higher level of training > >> make your own desisions and if you kill yourself then you wont make > >> anymore stupid ones and the world will be a better place. > >> > >> STEVE > >> STEVE > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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