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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:55:33 -0500
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ww*.ge*.co*
Subject: Re: Bondage wings (was Re: Scooters)
Kevin, I would have called you a stroke if I were thinking such a
foolish thing - I was agreeing with you. The problem with even
mentioning such crap on here is that it ends up with your name on it. 

For discussion of bondage wings, most people have the common sense to
say, " I am asking for a friend", or "a friend wants to know", or , more
likely, " a friend of mine has these bondgage wings for sale - never
been dropped, only caused one clusterf---, only used once, still have
carrying case and special 'suitable for framing ' original price tag,
comes with its own laugh box" etc.

Kevin, I know you are not a goober, but it is tough talking about
goobery without getting a little on you. 

Kevin Connell wrote:
> 
> G - you are the second person that insinuated that I was actually
> recommending these things.  Did it sound like I was saying dual bladders
> were OK?
> 
> I was trying to say that having to figure out which side to shut down is
> another reason NOT to use dual bladders.  ie/ they are a cluster.
> 
> At 07:43 PM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Kev, these things invite a cluster, and since only a stroke would have
> >them, the odds go way up .
> >
> >Kevin Connell wrote:
> >>
> >> This is actually a good example of why dual bladders aren't so great.
> >> Given you have a wing overinflating (or just inflating, both of which are
> >> usually due to poor maintenance), which valve do you shut down, or which
> >> inflator hose do you disconnect?
> >>
> >> On a single wing / drysuit system, the choice is obvious.  Shut down the
> >> correct post (or maybe the argon).
> >>
> >> At 09:07 AM 1/9/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >> >What ever happened to valve shut-down skills?
> >> >
> >> >Anthony DeBoer wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> > > I met a guy with a exploded bondage wing yesterday. He had a freeze
> >> up on
> >> >> > > the inflator during a cold water dive. It resulted in a uncontrolled
> >> >> > > filling of the wing. He went ballistic and could not dump air due to
> >> the
> >> >> > > over pressure thing failed. Can you imagine the sound when a twin
> cell
> >> >> > > bondage wing explode:-)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > The guy did not hurt him self but is no longer looking for a new
> >> bondage wing!
> >> >>
> >> >> The runaway inflator would have only been filling one of the two air
> >> >> cells, so it probably didn't sound too much different than a single wing
> >> >> would have.
> >> >>
> >> >> However, the people who advertise this stuff tell you that the other air
> >> >> cell gives you redundancy in case one fails, but there's a chance the
> >> >> second cell would be compromised by the first one blowing up in this
> type
> >> >> of incident, depending on whether it blew toward or away from its mate.
> >> >> There's also the chance that even intact, the second cell would extrude
> >> >> through a split in the outer jacket and cause some really interesting
> >> >> bouyancy issues.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Anthony DeBoer <adb@on*.ca*>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
> >>
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> 
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