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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 07:22:30 -0500
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Roberto Bagnasco <divetek@we*.ch*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Do I need one?
If you can afford a rebreather, you can afford gases, and you can afford
to do it right. You have to take bailouts anyway, so you need small
bailouts, which means you have to be good on gas, which means you must
be able to do the dive without a rebreather in order to use the
rebreather. You know damn well what the Rule means. Ther is no shortcut,
no magic carpet - the storkes can't do the tough dive with any amount of
gear, gases, logistical suport or anything else - you still have to do
what it takes , and the hallmark of the stroke is his unwillingness to
pay the price, hence the search for the magic carpet. Notice we do not
ever see any of these guys getting anything done, but we hear a lot of
promises, excuses, and BS. 

 It is like what they day in the US about banks - they won't lend you
money unless you can prove you don't need it. Don't use a rebreather
unless you can do the dive without it. We did our long dives on scuba,
and then used the rebreather to fill in the details of the map, getting 
good "dwell time" at distance without effecting our gas rules, and
diving repeatedly over the same stages without using them. That is what
I mean. 

 We are not technophiles, we are just getting the job  done anyway we
can.

Roberto Bagnasco wrote:
> 
> I like Rule Number Three: "Don't Use a Rebreather Unless You Don't Need To"
> (Maybe a typing mistake, but the double negative means: "Use it anyway"?
> Shouldn't it be: "Don't Use a Rebreather Unless You Need To"?)
> 
> Now that the  spelling is checked, I  would like to know if I need one or not.
> 
> I want to dive some wrecks in the Mediterranean, until now we did
> everything with open circuit scuba. The gas logistic is slowly getting to
> be a nightmare. It is not only the tanks you have to carry on yourself, but
> the large qty of He and O2 tanks we have to transport and move back and
> forth from the gas suppliers and the dive center. The price is another
> factor, helium is not everywhere as cheap as in Florida.
> For the deeper wrecks we need so many tanks, that is very impractical to
> move on the boat, and not very healthy to swim at depth. And if the weather
> changes, climbing back on the boat is almost impossible.
> I want everybody in the team to be self sufficient, i.e. we carry all our
> gasses. We need a machine that can perform the dive and the decompression,
> and that has a bailout system.
> We are happy to find the boat again, but we are ready to perform our
> decompression drifting alone.
> 
> We have found some virgin wrecks from the second world war, but they are
> pretty deep. There shallower one is at 95msw/311 feet, and the deepest one
> so far is at 160msw/525 feet. Ballard has found some interesting at
> 750msw/2460feet, but that's too deep!
> 
> Do you think that an Halcyon with the proper training, could be a helpful
tool?
> I think so, but I never used an Halcyon, so I cannot really judge for myself.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Roberto
> 
>
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