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At 09:46 AM 12/11/97 +0200, you wrote: >Look mate, the problem in not what is taught & what not. It's clear cut, the PADI system probably supplies enough information to get a guy his OW cert (I know, I was a PADI instructor for 7 years!). Well first off I am NOT a MATE, but a 100ton captain. with towing endorsement. And if you were a PADI instrutor, you would have also gone alittle bit past what the Instructor manual would have said. :) > >The problem is how information is being brought across and the level of experience of >instructors, and even course directors. It's fine teaching a bloke about DCI & Nitrogen >Narcosis. But when an instructor is blind to the fact that 40m is not the absolute diving >limit - that stupid. NO the instructor is not blind, they are teaching with in their realm for that type of diving, WHICH is BASIC entry level, Not some advanced course. >I give you an example. I trained a PADI DM, who went on to get his instructor. He also >enlisted for Decompression training (TDI Advanced Nitrox which is a 50m certification). He >was frowned on by his Course Directors for diving beyond the PADI max limit of 40m! I must >add, the course director also had no experience or training in deco diving, other than maybe >steeling that 60m off a wall somewhere in the tropics (single cylinder etc). So stuff what >appears in the manuals, it's the way it's taught and the attitude of the instructor - being >open minded! But see you are still wrong, your missing the whole point of what has been said. And what is said it that "why subject a new person to more information than what is needed at the time of training?" The new diver is informed of the dangers, they have the chance to find out more about the dangers, by reading, asking questions, so on and so forth. SO why in the hell would you subject a new diver in to how to do decompression dives when they are only certified as a begining diver to go to a depth of 60 foot?? Granted this diver may go deeper on his own, but then the blame is not on the certifing agency, the blame falls on them. As far as the Divemaster and his IDC, so what if the Course Director frowned on him wanting to do Decompression training, that is not what the IDC was designed for. It was designed to see if you can Teach. It was not designed for getting certified for tech diving. Also just because the CD didn't have any experience in deco diving, it may have been his choice. PADI set a set of GUIDELINES to be followed, and these guide lines have worked very well in the past. This guidelines were there to keep ppl from doing stupid stuff, and to keep them from causing harm to themselves or someone else. > >The main problem is that 95% of new instructors coming through the PADI ranks don't know and >also teach their students so. They are young and inexperienced with a knowledge base that >should you surpass 40m you will kill yourself - not you can do it, BUT additional training is >required! So what the hell is wrong with that, you think that as a medical person that I am going to go beyound my realm of teaching??? I don't think so. They are teaching by a guide line that is set buy the agency that they are certing for. If it say to say xyz, they are going to say xyz, but as many instructors that I know and have run accross (NauI, Ymca, and SSI) They teach the very basics of diving but are always open for descussion on other things of diving, mix gasses, deep diving, or what ever else you can think of. Open Water diving is just that, 60ft max, no over head enviroments, no mixed gasses, and no decompression diving. How much harder is that to follow?? Sounds pretty easy to me. > >I was personally ousted from a local club when I started partaking in decompression stop diving some years ago, until those who ousted me blew there depth on a big blue - then they all turned back to me for training! > Were ousted because you did not follow the club rules? And IMOP I think that is what happened. And it sounds good that they came to you for the train, sounds like you made a few extra bucks. Rules are set there to keep you from harming yourself, and or your partner. >This may be true of other training agencies as well. I do have personal experience of PADI in this country though! But from what I am reading, your very unhappy with PADI because they will not let you teach more advanced diving. Sounds like you need to start your own agency, or jump on the TDI bandwagon. THis is why I say quit your crying about PADI, and the others. Guide lines are guide lines!!! If you don't like those guidelines, get out of the agency. If you do something stupid, don't blame them!! Jeff -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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