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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 02:39:40 -0500
To: gmirvine@sa*.ne*
From: "Bill (aquadart) Bott" <aquadart@ix*.ne*.co*>
Subject: Re: A rose by any other nameRe: Viton O-Rings
Cc: cavers@ge*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
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George,

If you send me your mailing address I'll drop a couple of spool O-
rings in an envelope and mail them to you.  You can give them a try 
and if you like them I'll give you the address of my supplier.

 I'm certain that you, I and the rest of the non mongaoid world is 
aware of the need to keep everything free of hydrocarbons.  However, 
there are still many who believe that regular oxygen cleaning is 
unnecessary.  With the controlled environment of the WKPP that may be 
true.  However, that is not the case throughout much of the diving 
community.  I know of one fill station whose owners were not even 
aware that air quality analysis was available to him until he found 
out from me.  FAS for sure!!

If one of his customers gets a fill then brings the tank to me should 
I put myself at risk?  Would you put yourself at risk?  Should I not 
demand that every tank I add pure oxygen to be cleaned??  Are you 
willing to stand over the customers tank as I fill it if it's not 
cleaned?

To me the answers seem simple.  No, no, yes and no.  I have a lot of 
respect for the accomplishments of you and the WKPP.  However, even 
if we could fix the problems with the instructors and dive shops, we 
would still have more idiot divers than you can shake a stick at.  I 
can't count on the customers to fix the problems I face for me.  I am 
willing to (and have in the past) put a chisel to the threads of my 
own tank if I feel it does not pass a visual.  But you should hear 
the screams when you explain to a customer that "if" their tank does 
not pass it will be rendered unserviceable.  These idiots and morons 
would rather strap a ticking time bomb to there back rather than 
spend $125 for a new AL 80.  

With all due respect George, you do your thing in a sterile setting.  
You know who is coming forward for a fill.  You know were the tanks 
have been.  Come on up for a week next summer and see what like is 
like outside the WKPP.  We give the best service we can.  But you 
have no idea what we are asked to do.  "It's only been sitting in the 
basement for twenty years.  Could you knock the rust out of it and 
give it a fill???"

Drop me a private with a number I can reach you at after 3:30 and 
I'll call you.  If you have answers I'd like to hear them.  At any 
rate I think a call could help get both our points across.



At 08:10 AM 12/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Bill, use them if you have them. I have found them unnecessary.
>However, if you can suggest a good source for the tiny o-rings in 
the hp
>spools that are more durable, I WILL replace those.These tend to 
mush
>out + Also, getting the correct durometer o-rings for each 
application
>is well beyond the farm animal stupidity that is the trademark of 
most
>dive shop savants.
>
> In addition, Chief, on your oxygen cleaning stuff, everything needs 
to
>be clean and free of hydrocarbons, and we all know this. What the
>savants don't know, and why we see these problems, is that you also 
must
>have decent valves, not nickelrocketry like comes with most "kits", 
and
>these need to be operated properly, a big problem when you are 
talking
>divers or dive shop monkees.
>
> On another subject, Bill, only a complete moron would have a filter 
in
>a regulator - that is begging for trouble, and you just showed three
>good reasons why. What do es one expect to be in his scuba tank that
>requires a filter which just disintegrates and ruins the regulator 
or
>causes a fire when operated by a mongoloid dive shop mutant? The 
most
>life-supporting use of compressed air has no filters, but then as 
the
>Army found out in Carter's botched Iraninan hostage rescue attempt - 
you
>don't operate in sand. Next time you get on a 747, make sure they 
have
>filters over the four air compressors you are beting your life on, 
and
>make sure they have oxygen cleaned those babies.
>
>I have enough to worry about, but then I know where my gas comes 
from,
>and no idiots operate my equipment. Keep in mind you are looking at
>only  part of the problem, and ignoring the rest, which is how the 
dive
>industry gets ( unnecessary) business.
>
>This "cleaning" then becomes a mysterious secret operation requiring 
at
>least two major credit cards with a personal financial statement
>required to get in line for the unobtanium o-rings available only in 
a
>complete kit specially collected by the same morons who can't make 
the
>regulator right in the first place, available to you only if you 
allkow
>the dive shop Quasimoto to intall them. 
>
>As Hyperski says, "tanks, but no tanks". - G
>
>
>
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Bill (aquadart) Bott
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