All I've run a few profiles (presented below for fellow deco anoraks) as per the example being discussed 300', 25 min ABT, ascent rates 100, 60, 30 FPM, no deep stops, etc: My conclusion seems to be two fold: 1. The results seem to bear out Will's statement that the Abyss 120 (stated as similar to the ZH-L16c) is more conservative than the raw Smithers' implementation of the Buhlmann algorithm. In fact the Abyss 100 seems closer, though slightly less conservative. 2. Its about time our cousins get off the imperial system and onto the right-thinking metric system. David Shimell Project Manager, Sequent Computer Systems Ltd, Weybridge, UK Email: shimell@se*.co* The same profile and ascent rate on the Abyss 150 gives: Depth Time Total Gas & Percent (ft) at time 150 1.0 31.5 O14.0%, N36.0%, He50.0% 140 2.0 33.7 O14.0%, N36.0%, He50.0% 130 1.0 34.8 O32.0%, N68.0% 120 2.0 37.0 O32.0%, N68.0% 110 2.0 39.2 O32.0%, N68.0% 100 2.0 41.3 O32.0%, N68.0% 90 4.0 45.7 O32.0%, N68.0% 80 4.0 50.0 O32.0%, N68.0% 70 5.0 55.3 O50.0%, N50.0% 60 7.0 62.7 O50.0%, N50.0% 50 9.0 72.0 O50.0%, N50.0% 40 14.0 86.3 O50.0%, N50.0% 30 19.0 105.7 O50.0%, N50.0% 20 25.0 131.7 O100.0% 10 42.0 174.7 O100.0% The same profile and ascent rate on the Abyss 100 gives: Depth Time Total Gas & Percent (ft) at time 120 1.0 32.0 O32.0%, N68.0% 110 2.0 34.2 O32.0%, N68.0% 100 1.0 35.3 O32.0%, N68.0% 90 2.0 37.7 O32.0%, N68.0% 80 3.0 41.0 O32.0%, N68.0% 70 4.0 45.3 O50.0%, N50.0% 60 4.0 49.7 O50.0%, N50.0% 50 7.0 57.0 O50.0%, N50.0% 40 9.0 66.3 O50.0%, N50.0% 30 14.0 80.7 O50.0%, N50.0% 20 17.0 98.7 O100.0% 10 29.0 128.7 O100.0% The same profile and ascent rate on the Abyss 100 gives: DECO Stops. Depth Time Total Gas & Percent (ft) at time 120 1.0 32.0 O32.0%, N68.0% 110 1.0 33.2 O32.0%, N68.0% 100 1.0 34.3 O32.0%, N68.0% 90 2.0 36.7 O32.0%, N68.0% 80 2.0 39.0 O32.0%, N68.0% 70 3.0 42.3 O50.0%, N50.0% 60 4.0 46.7 O50.0%, N50.0% 50 5.0 52.0 O50.0%, N50.0% 40 8.0 60.3 O50.0%, N50.0% 30 11.0 71.7 O50.0%, N50.0% 20 13.0 85.7 O100.0% 10 24.0 110.7 O100.0% ---------- From: owner-techdiver[SMTP:owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com] Sent: 25 November 1997 18:19 To: Jon Breazile Cc: techdiver Subject: RE: THE FACTS: TDI Training Death, 16 April 1997 On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Jon Breazile wrote: > William M. Smithers Wrote: > >No thank you - I like my Buhlmann served straight up, water on > >the side. > > Don't you think you should throw in some deep stops, or do you > consider it ongassing? Of course it's a good idea to throw in deep stops, but that's irrelevant - Pyle-style deep stops are applied post-model - meaning the model is run, deep stops are added, then the model is re-run. > Tell us what you would do for a 300 ft. > dive for 25 min for 14/50. Glad you asked, but it's moot, because since I went closed-circuit, I only dive Heliox below 150ft, then switch to N2 diluent for deco. But here's what you get for 300 for 25 on 14/50, with, then without deep stops, using unadulterated Buhlmann ZHL16c. This assumes 32%, 50%, and 100% for deco, a 100fpm descent rate, with an on-the fly switch from 50% to mix at 60ft, and an ascent rate of 60fpm up to 100, then 30fpm slowing to 10fpm as you get shallow. In real life, I'd probably skip the 32%, and calculate the intermediate stops for mix. DIVE PLAN Waypoint at 60ft for 0 min on Nitrox 50.0, PPO2 1.408, END 26 Waypoint at 300ft for 25 min on Trimix 14.0/50.0, PPO2 1.411, END 119 Norm Stop at 120ft for 1 min on Nitrox 32.0, PPO2 1.482, END 90 Norm Stop at 110ft for 1 min on Nitrox 32.0, PPO2 1.385, END 90 Norm Stop at 100ft for 1 min on Nitrox 32.0, PPO2 1.288, END 81 Norm Stop at 90ft for 2 min on Nitrox 32.0, PPO2 1.191, END 73 Norm Stop at 80ft for 2 min on Nitrox 32.0, PPO2 1.095, END 64 Norm Stop at 70ft for 3 min on Nitrox 50.0, PPO2 1.559, END 32 Norm Stop at 60ft for 3 min on Nitrox 50.0, PPO2 1.408, END 26 Norm Stop at 50ft for 6 min on Nitrox 50.0, PPO2 1.256, END 20 Norm Stop at 40ft for 7 min on Nitrox 50.0, PPO2 1.105, END 13 Norm Stop at 30ft for 12 min on Nitrox 50.0, PPO2 0.954, END 7 Norm Stop at 20ft for 14 min on 100% Oxygen, PPO2 1.605, END 0 Norm Stop at 10ft for 27 min on 100% Oxygen, PPO2 1.303, END 0 TOTAL DECO TIME: 79 minutes. DIVE RUN TIME: 115 minutes. CNS Total: 85.3% OTU's: 168 42.1Cu ft of 50.0% consumed. 155.7Cu ft of 14.0/50.0 consumed. 14.7Cu ft of 32.0% consumed. 33.0Cu ft of 100.0% consumed. 245.5Cu ft total open circuit gas consumed. And with 2 minute Pyle-style deep stops: Waypoint at 60ft for 0 min on Nitrox 50.0, PPO2 1.408, END 26 Waypoint at 300ft for 25 min on Trimix 14.0/50.0, PPO2 1.411, END 119 Deep Stop at 200ft for 2 min on Trimix 14.0/50.0, PPO2 0.987, END 73 Deep Stop at 160ft for 2 min on Trimix 14.0/50.0, PPO2 0.818, END 55 Deep Stop at 130ft for 2 min on Trimix 14.0/50.0, PPO2 0.691, END 41 Norm Stop at 100ft for 1 min on Nitrox 32.0, PPO2 1.288, END 81 Norm Stop at 90ft for 2 min on Nitrox 32.0, PPO2 1.191, END 73 Norm Stop at 80ft for 3 min on Nitrox 32.0, PPO2 1.095, END 64 Norm Stop at 70ft for 3 min on Nitrox 50.0, PPO2 1.559, END 32 Norm Stop at 60ft for 4 min on Nitrox 50.0, PPO2 1.408, END 26 Norm Stop at 50ft for 6 min on Nitrox 50.0, PPO2 1.256, END 20 Norm Stop at 40ft for 9 min on Nitrox 50.0, PPO2 1.105, END 13 Norm Stop at 30ft for 13 min on Nitrox 50.0, PPO2 0.954, END 7 Norm Stop at 20ft for 16 min on 100% Oxygen, PPO2 1.605, END 0 Norm Stop at 10ft for 31 min on 100% Oxygen, PPO2 1.303, END 0 TOTAL DECO TIME: 94 minutes. DIVE RUN TIME: 129 minutes. CNS Total: 94.5% OTU's: 184 47.0Cu ft of 50.0% consumed. 174.5Cu ft of 14.0/50.0 consumed. 12.2Cu ft of 32.0% consumed. 37.0Cu ft of 100.0% consumed. 270.8Cu ft total open circuit gas consumed. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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