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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:29:23 -0500
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: "Taylor, John" <john.taylor@cs*.co*.uk*>
CC: Dennis JR Harding <dennish@wp*.co*.za*>,
     "'Techdiver List'"
Subject: Re: IN CLOSING: TDI Training Death, 16 April 1997
Bubble mechanics and the Bulhmann style combined. JP Imert does it in
France, although he weenizes it so badly that you would need surface
supplied gas and a chamber as well as a time machine to finish the deco,
and the oil companies do it that way. We do it that way. 


Taylor, John wrote:
> 
> George,
> 
> your second reference today to "combined models".
> 
> Would you care to explain?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> JT
> 
> --
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: G. Irvine [SMTP:gmirvine@sa*.ne*]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 8:49 PM
> > To:   Dennis JR Harding
> > Cc:   'Techdiver List'
> > Subject:      Re: IN CLOSING: TDI Training Death, 16 April 1997
> >
> > Dennis, get one thing straight, you moron: I always give the
> > information
> > when asked, but will be the first to tell you to kiss my ass when you
> > come to me with a know-it-all attitude and a dead body in your hands.
> > Take the coton out of your ears and put it in yoiur big mouth.
> >
> > My very short asocitating with TDI was due to Gilliam mailing me
> > instructor cards ( which started as a joke by Jess Armentrout, and got
> > out of hand). I have not nor will I ever certify anyone for any kind
> > of
> > diving. It was a short while later that I found out that Gilliam was
> > still promoting deep air diving, and that ended the associationn when
> > I
> > criticized that activity by TDI.
> >
> > My review of Abyss is YEARS old, and at the time I said, "Chirs
> > Parrrot
> > put his heart and sole into this one", and that still stands. What I
> > did
> > not say is that ANY deco software in the hands of a blithering idiot,
> > like you and your pals, is USELESS. If you read on, wyou wil discover
> > that NOEN fo the deco programs provide the correct deco, and one must
> > combine models to get to that stage. EVREYONE knows this.
> >
> > My information is still the best in the business, and I bet my life on
> > it every time, and so does my team. I will compare out track rcord to
> > the rest of the world's anytime, expecially yours and the rest of your
> > TDI buddies.
> >
> > Dennis JR Harding wrote:
> > >
> > > Geroge wrote:
> > >         Dennis, you again just plain have to be kidding.
> > >
> > > No George, just providing the facts.
> > >
> > > You were the one asking Mike Beresford about who was making threats
> > >  when he wanted to ask questions.  Well I did respond to Mike's
> > message.
> > > The problem was the way in which questions were being asked.  All
> > knew
> > >  it was a TDI training course,  All knew who was/is the TDI director
> > in SA -
> > >  is this not where questions should have been aimed at in the first
> > place.
> > >
> > > Well I provided the facts of the actual dive, and questions arised,
> > which
> > >  I answered.  Arising were more questions and so forth.  Now some
> > >  of the answer that were put forward may have been against you
> > better
> > >  judgement, but I have certainly learned through some of the
> > responses
> > >  that I good from both Bill and Joel.  More than I can say of you -
> > as far
> > >  as this subject is concerned.
> > >
> > > Yes, we may have f@#$-up, but we have also learned, more so though
> > >  the questions and responses that subsequently occured.  As far as
> > the
> > >  Abyss is concerned, I note a good review by you on the Abyss site,
> > or
> > >  have you also parted ways with Chris like you have with TDI?  It
> > appears
> > >  now that Abyss is not the software to use!
> > >
> > > We are a very small core of divers in SA that actively dive trimix
> > on a regular
> > >  basis, if 1 or 2 trimix dives a quater can be called regular.  Then
> > again, look
> > >  at the price we pay for helium, and the fact that there is no
> > proper medical
> > >  treatment available - all part of the risk that is taken.
> > > Also perceptions of regular and in shape differ.
> > >
> > > We all learn from one anothers experiences, if we are prepared to
> > share them,
> > >  and we have alot to learn from you and your team, but I guess now
> > is not the
> > >  time or the place and your probably not the right person - maybe
> > someone
> > >  else will help.
> > >
> > > Thank you any way for all your responses.
> > >
> > > Dennis.
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