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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:14:05 -0400
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ge*.co*
From: techvid@ne*.co* (Brown, Christopher)
Subject: Re: Selpac manifolds
Mark -- thanks for the useful info!

You said:

> the major
>problem with the old yoke sherwood "selpac" manifolds. -I'm assuming
>that's the one on the set of double 80's that Roger is trying to sell.-

Don't know if it is a Selpac. An interested person would have to contact
Roger to determine that before making a judgement of the value.

>Not even counting the fact that it is a yoke manifold,

Which can be argued that, when well-maintained, is a non-problem....

 the real weakness
>is at the center tap behind the divers head. At that point the crossover
>is welded to either side of the valve/yoke creating not one but two
>potential points of failure. Add to that the fact that the crossover is
>very thin in diameter and the welds are weak and you have a recipe for
>disaster. I have personally seen three of these fail under the following
>conditions:
>
>2 failed following moderate impacts with the cave.
>1 failed during installation and assembly of a doubles set. the failure
>occured when the tank bands were being tightened.

Tho' this prob. has been mentioned on these lists before, it's worth
bringing up again for those who have only recently subscribed -- important
info, for sure.

Other questions: are all other Sherwood manifolds (those *not* marked
"selpac") constructed well enuff to be safe? Any other probs. with the
selpac or other Sherwoods?

>All three failures began as moderate leaks which increased in intensity
>as the tank pressure was reduced.

Strange -- intuitively that sounds backwards -- but I'm certainly not
arguing with your experience!

>In contrast, the old scubapro yoke manifold of the same era was a bullet
>proof piece of equipment with an exceptionally low profile. In fact
>Exley used one on his first big dive in Mante, If you look at the
>pictures of him you can easily identify it by it's telltale profile.

Again, that may be what Roger's offering. And since lots of
air/shallow/swimming divers do use 80's in FL and Mex. caves --
comfortably, safely, and with no problems whatsoever -- the tank setup may
actually be a good buy.

>The Selpac however is a death trap, and it has always surprised me that
>we never really heard of anyone getting themselves killed with it, but
>that is probably because the divers that were using it realized how weak
>it is and installed valve cages, rams heads and all kinds of other stuff
>to protect it.

Yup -- futile attempts to re-engineer/overcome a weakness, which only adds
to the mess.

>As for all that other stuff, I don't know

Me either -- I just passed along some info. Direct inquiries, rather than
jumped conclusions, may/may not profit any potential buyers.

Thanks again for your help!


Christopher A. Brown
The Technical Diving Video Library     deepedge.com/TechVid
Phone (US & Can.):606-272-0255; Fax:606-272-7279

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