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From: <CHKBOONE@ao*.co*>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:40:25 -0500 (EST)
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Blobs of gas

Devin,

In a message dated 97-11-17 10:07:46 EST, you write:

<< 
 Well,
 
 Good point, but there are several other factors at play.  For example,
 nitrogen is lighter than oxygen but we surface dwellers aaren't stuck in a
 100% O2 atmoshpheric shell.  The other powers that be including entropy of
 mixing and the physical churning of the atmosphere play a much stronger role
 in homogenizing the atmosphere.  Gravity is actually a pretty weak force as
 forces go. 
 
I know that certain facilities that produce their own cryogenic gases (He,
 Ar, N) actually get them straight out of the atmosphere.....   I really
 don't know where the gas companies get it,  but I do know that Air Products,
 when done condensing liquid N2 out of air at pressure, keeps the remaining
 gases for further extraction....  this may mostly be for O2 and Ar (yet
 another noble gas) but I don't really know.  >>


Gravity is the weakest of the four, I believe.        

Oxygen and Nitrogen are side by side on the periodic table - close enough in
weight that the forces you mention, along with brownian motion, van der
waals' force, and others neither of us have thought of, must be enough to
maintain a homogenous mix.

A solution !

   This is something I've never thought about.   I guess all the other trace
elements must be heavy enough to stay in the atmosphere in solution.   
The thing about helium floating to the top of the atmosphere and getting
blown off was not an assumption; I've read this somewhere.    Maybe He, being
inert, is not as subject to the forces that keep others in solution allowing
individual atoms to migrate upwards  ????    But then, there is Argon !?!?!?
  You've got me wondering now ! ! !   

   I recently saw a National Geo type special that spoke of the animals on
some island who would be found dead because they ventured into depressions or
holes where CO or some other undetectible gas that was a product of a local
geological phenomenon would settle.   

THIS COULD HAPPEN TO YOU !    In fact it does - in homes everywhere when
natural gas is allowed to pool along a floor and be ignited by the hot water
heater.
Or in sewers and other low enclosed spaces where OSHA has procedures for
working to prevent the same problem.

Eventually these gases would mix with the atmosphere for the same reason that
sugar eventually mixes in tea which means that once they are dissipated they
will 
act, not as a blob of gas, but as part of a solution which is what the N2 and
O2 of 
the atmosphere must represent.  

You know what this is going to lead to ?    Discussions about rolling tanks
of mix !

Can anyone straighten us out on this ?   

Chuck







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