OK, Greg, that's the end of being nice to you. In my opinioin you are so
stupid it is embarrasing. Bill Mee was nice and tried to explain it to
you . Bill TAUHGT engineering at Brown University, and Ivy League
college, the kind of place where people like you mow the grass.

 You, on the other hand,  teach deep air, and are the single dumbest
example of an incompetent stroke I have ever seen on here, and I am
using what you have posted to these lists as my justification for
thinking that. I am not talking about your personal training body count.
You have no business teaching diving in my opinion, you have no business
running your misinformed, ignorant, dangerous stroke mouth on here.

 Listening to blabber and nonsense out of you has gone far enough. You
do not have the first clue, and your track record proves it. These lists
are about cave and tech diving - deep air and training deaths are not
tech diving. They are the domain of the seledt list of farm animal
stupid clowns , and they have no place on here. Shut the hell up - the
more you say the more you prove you are hopelessly retarded. 

 Greg, some of the things you have said on here are so far gone that in
Florida, you could probably be Baker-Acted. 

Greg Zambeck wrote:
> 
> George answer Jammer question!
> 
> What is the weight of air?
> 
> Will filling low pressure 2640 psi or 3500 psi tanks make a difference?
> 
> Bill Mee knows what I'm talking about concerning the compressibility of
> gas.
> 
> Why do tanks filled with helium get lighter and by how much?
> 
> Show all calculations.
> 
> Since your the expert George answer his question?
> 
> ----------
> > From: G. Irvine <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > To: Jon Guizar <jeg154@ps*.ed*>
> > Cc: 'Greg Zambeck' <gzambeck@us*.ne*>; 'caver@ge*.co*'
> <cavers@ge*.co*>
> > Subject: Re: The weight of air, verse 2
> > Date: Saturday, November 01, 1997 6:01 PM
> >
> > Jon, this is why , in my opinion, strokes like Zambeck have no business
> > teaching diving. This guy is beyond FAS, and he has proved it repeatedly
> > on these lists. Retarded is more like it.
> >
> >
> > Jon Guizar wrote:
> > >
> > > UNFU#%INGBELIEVABLE.   You guys are nuts.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:   Greg Zambeck [SMTP:gzambeck@us*.ne*]
> > > Sent:   Friday, October 31, 1997 3:14 PM
> > > To:     Jammer Six; Russ Cleavland
> > > Cc:     Tech List; Cavers
> > > Subject:        Re: The weight of air, verse 2
> > >
> > > Jammer look at all the variables here:
> > >
> > > First of all, thanks to all who responded, I appreciate your efforts.
> > >
> > > I've learned, beyond doubt, that the weight of air changes based on
> > > pressure, temperature, and humidity.
> > >
> > > WHAT IS THE MOISTURE CONTENT OF THE DRY AIR FROM THE COMPRESSOR
> > >
> > > I asked the question with one eye on my other current quest, the
> buoyancy
> > > of tanks.
> > >
> > > What I had hoped to do was to weigh the tanks, full and empty, and work
> > > backwards, and determine how much air they REALLY hold (as opposed to
> how
> > > much air the manufacturers and dive store wizards CLAIM they hold).
> > >
> > > THE INTERNAL VOLUMN OF THE TANK WITH A VALVE AND FILLED IS WHAT YOU
> NEED.
> > > THE TANKS WILL STRETCH SEE WAKULA SPRINGS PROJECT BOOK.
> > > THIS IS DISCUSSED.
> > >
> > > It now appears that that is impossible, given the equipment and
> finances
> > > available to me.
> > >
> > > It has been proposed to sink the tanks, measure the water, and arrive
> at
> > > the volume of the cylinder.
> > >
> > > Then fill the tank with water, measure the water, and use Boyle's law
> to
> > > calculate the weight of the tank full.
> > >
> > > The weights, full and empty, can then be compared to the weight of the
> > > volume of sea water, to arrive at full and empty buoyancy's.
> > >
> > > The problem that I have with this procedure is doesn't it match what
> the
> > > dealers and manufacturers did?
> > >
> > > Aren't we going to arrive at the same figures they did?
> > >
> > > Why don't we just believe them, then?
> > >
> > > What I want to do is weigh the tanks, empty and full, and use those
> > > weights to calculate buoyancy and gas capacity.
> > >
> > > The problems with that are lots and lots.
> > >
> > > Getting all the gas in all the tanks to the same temperature.
> > > Getting all the tanks to their working pressure at that temperature.
> > > Getting an ACCURATE weight, probably to the 100th of a pound.
> > > Developing a system that will allow this to be accomplished on
> different
> > > days (sequentially).
> > >
> > > Comments?  Thanks! Lyle
> > >
> > >        --Jammer, 1992
> > >
> > > Jammer:
> > >
> > > Make things easy on yourself.
> > > Your talking to many engineers and chemist.
> > > A scale with a 1/10,000 accuracy is $ 1200.00
> > > A scale with a 1 / 30,000 accuracy is what you need and there $ 1800.00
> > >
> > > A density of air at mean sea level 1.025 g/l = .07522 lb. / cf
> > > 100 * .07522 = 7.522 lb.
> > >
> > > Specific Volume is the inverse of density 1/.07522 = 13.29 cf / lb.
> > >
> > > Now how close do you need to be?
> > >
> > > Greg Z.
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > > From: Jammer Six <jammer@oz*.ne*>
> > > > To: Russ Cleavland <cleavr@ao*.co*>
> > > > Cc: Tech List <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Cavers <cavers@ge*.co*>
> > > > Subject: The weight of air, verse 2
> > > > Date: Friday, October 31, 1997 3:36 PM
> > > >
> > > > First of all, thanks to all who responded, I appreciate your efforts.
> > > >
> > > > I've learned, beyond doubt, that the weight of air changes based on
> > > > pressure, temperature, and humidity.
> > > >
> > > > I asked the question with one eye on my other current quest, the
> bouyancy
> > >
> > > > of tanks.
> > > >
> > > > What I had hoped to do was to weigh the tanks, full and empty, and
> work
> > > > backwards, and determine how much air they REALLY hold (as opposed to
> how
> > >
> > > > much air the manufacturers and dive store wizards CLAIM they hold).
> > > >
> > > > It now appears that that is impossible, given the equipment and
> finances
> > > > available to me.
> > > >
> > > > It has been proposed to sink the tanks, measure the water, and arrive
> at
> > > > the volume of the cylinder.
> > > >
> > > > Then fill the tank with water, measure the water, and use Boyle's law
> to
> > > > calculate the weight of the tank full.
> > > >
> > > > The weights, full and empty, can then be compared to the weight of
> the
> > > > volume of sea water, to arrive at full and empty bouyancies.
> > > >
> > > > The problem that I have with this procedure is doesn't it match what
> the
> > > > dealers and manufacturers did?
> > > >
> > > > Aren't we going to arrive at the same figures they did?
> > > >
> > > > Why don't we just believe them, then?
> > > >
> > > > What I want to do is weigh the tanks, empty and full, and use those
> > > > weights to calculate bouyancy and gas capacity.
> > > >
> > > > The problems with that are lots and lots.
> > > >
> > > > Getting all the gas in all the tanks to the same temperature.
> > > > Getting all the tanks to their working pressure at that temperature.
> > > > Getting an ACCURATE weight, probably to the 100th of a pound.
> > > > Developing a system that will allow this to be accomplished on
> different
> > > > days (sequentially).
> > > >
> > > > Comments?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Lyle
> > > >
> > > > ---------
> > > > "Huh?"
> > > >        --Jammer, 1992
> > > > ---------
> > > >
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