Chris, when a high-proifile diver like Palmer gets killed doing
something stupid, we need to point it out. As one of Palmer's other good
friends told me, " young  Europeans every week deep air diving in
Hurgata, and nobody cares because they are not well-known", but they die
emulating the Gilliams, and when a guy like Palmer does it, well that
tells eveyone else to go do it. Palmer would never have done anythihng
like this until he got mixed up with Gilliam. We all liked Rob Palmer, I
still have his books, and was really pissed that he got involved with an
idiot like Gilliam - that was even stupider than diving deep air, and I
know, I have done both myself, and both have caused me problems.

  However, there is no force on this earth that will allow me to sit
back and hold hands with trash like Gilliam and pretend that Rob was not
deep air diving. We all know the truth, and if it were not one more body
on the stack of Gilliam's corpses, he would not have come so unglued. 

  Anyone who wants to debate me on the deep air issue in the U.K. can
step up and pet the pony, but the facts are so severely on my side that
this is futile, and everyone is sick of the death and the nonsense, and
everyone is sick of Gilliams schmear campaigns and vicious tadctics when
he is so clearly in the wrong. This guy is gong to get to go head to
head with me on this issue for real, and you will all be apprised of the
results, because Gillima is nothing , deep air is a killer.

  With full appologies to the Brits, Palmer was an idiot for being
involved with Giliam, and for diving deep air, just like my good friend
Sheck Exley was an idiot for geting involved with Jim Bowdin, and for
kiling himslef deep on air ( he dropped to 400 on air, switched to gas,
and never made it back, found tangled in his decent line).

  Zero tolerance from me - I stand up for what is right, and I will be
in the U.K. with a fine presentation as ususal, and then do a gear
rigging seminar using the local guys gear, and then will be spending
whatever time is necesary to pass on whatever infomation we have learned
to anyone who wants it, as usual. 

  The deep air diving, faulty gear producing, bad information peddling,
do nothing but kill people crowd can write al the letters they want to
write - everyone now knows who they are , and what they represent -
death and destruction, and everyone knows my track record.

Chris Hellas wrote:
> 
> In message <19971018192744.17379.qmail@ww*.ne*.us*.ne*>,
> broyall@us*.ne* writes
> 
> SNIP......
> 
> >
> >I saw a message that comments on an all out effort by the British diving
> >community to rescind an invitation offered to George to speak at a BSAC
meeting
> >in November.  It seems taht guys like Gavin Neuman, Martynn Farr and Richard
> >Bull have dropped Irvine's dossier on the BSAC officials and they want
nothing
> >to do with him.  Personally, I hope he does go over there since it's unlikely
> >he
> >can escape with his head after the contemptible remarks made about fellow
Brits
> >like Rob Palmer and Rob Parker.
> 
> Bill
>       Very interesting........
> 
> Firstly, I am somewhat suprised that you are so involved with the
> British diving scene to comment, but I guess you no more know who I am
> than I know you.
> 
> As far as the 'all out effort' goes to prevent George from speaking,
> well......
> 
> An open letter has been sent, signed by a few people stating that they
> were opposed to the BSAC inviting George to speak. Interesting enough,
> the signatories include
> 
> 1) Somebody who George has little time for - period.
> 2) An importer of some of the dive gear that George has criticised.
> 3) Some friends of the late Rob Palmer.
> 
> You do not have to be that intelligent to work out that all of these
> people have ulterior motives for signing such a letter. Rob Palmer was a
> good friend of mine - I would not have signed the letter. I was as upset
> as most when he died. HOWEVER, I have to agree with Georges sentiments
> on the subject, hard as that may seem.
> 
> There are wider issues to the recent spate of tragic,senseless deaths
> that need to be sorted out - however bitter the pill is to swallow. To
> somewone who is minus a couple of friends and has had others with near
> misses, it has to be done - be it by an easy or a hard way - it needs
> doing.
> 
> Maybe one day........
> 
> PS
> 
> George is still coming to the UK
> 
> Regards
> 
> Chris Hellas         e-mail - chris@de*.de*.co*.uk*
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