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We need to just make it TDI deaths, and then we can get some numbers
working - I do not wnat to lose on an argument over mix  or intent, like
Palmer, Parker, Missavage, the guy in south Africa on the trimix
training dive , the guy in the Vacleuse, the two in Europe, etc, al lin
the last few weeks. 

What everyone needs to remember is that the people KILLED around TDI are
dead, there were real people, some of them we know and they were our
friends, they have families, mothers, fathers, kids, brohters , sisters,
and many other people whom thier deaths have effected, and one huge fat
iresponsilbe blustering shameless slob promoting deep air that is the
cause of death. 

That is what is sad - Bret Gilliam , and the fact that he has not yet
been stopped, and I emphasize yet, and I emphsize that he will be
stopped, and he has found the group to stop him in his latest vendetta.
  

H2O Caver wrote:
> 
>         I got $10 for each pool-TDI out on Jan 15 '98, and they add 3 more
deep
>         air deaths.   Who is closest at the "deadline" takes the cash-the
archives
>         will hold the dates and numbers. Anyone want some action?-EZ
> 
> 
> ----------
> > From: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>
> > To: cavers@ge*.co*
> > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*
> > Subject: Re: Irvine & Internet
> > Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 3:29 PM
> >
> > Dear Bill,
> >
> > Nice try tough guy.  You obviously went to great lengths to disguise the
> > real source of this dripping mouthful of putrefacted venom.  How’s it
> > feel to be a  junior "internet abuser"?
> >
> > This post is disguised to appear as though it has been sent by a morally
> > and ethically  "outraged" subscriber to "Deep Tech" (aka Deep Air)
> > magazine. To cover the real source several "intentional" errors have
> > been introduced into the text such as the "ScubaPro" thing and the
> > bizarre laudatory comments about the Bowdens (two unreconstructed deep
> > and deep air diving adherents).  What makes this thing classic Gilliam
> > is the striking similarity to Gilliam’s contrived "outrage" letter to
> > George over the Rob Palmer thing.  Later on it was disclosed that Palmer
> > in fact died during a repeat "Wah Wah" style third world deep air fest.
> > The articulation and use of figures of speech such as "animus",
> > "loathsome" and "venal ineptitude" (a peculiar and incorrect term not
> > remotely applicable to Irvine) are characteristic of Gilliam’s arcane
> > style.  Recall his use of the peculiar phraseology "phillipic" when
> > describing George’s list postings.
> >
> > Somebody went to considerable lengths to draft this post with the
> > intention of flaming Irvine while seeming to take the side of what some
> > have described as the "single worst influence in technical diving
> > today". The problem is that they went way too far with the hatred aspect
> > and are clearly out of touch with the majority opinion towards deep air
> > diving and George Irvine.  The huge irony is that if this was sent by
> > Gilliam it is very amusing that he would resort to the same tactics that
> > he so vehemently accuses George Irvine of (i.e hiding behind
> > contrivedidentities).   What makes this even more suspicious is the
> > reference to "millionaires" such as Gilliam and Jim King. Gilliam has a
> > well known and bad habit of prefacing his phone calls to those he
> > considers "subordinate" with grandiose declamations of self importance
> > and name dropping.  Robert Carmichael, Jarrrod Jablonski and Scott
> > Landon all can relate tales of Brett Gilliam’s bombastic and boastful
> > telephone repartee as well as his constant self lionization (i.e CEO of
> > a major corporation.... I’ll call my friend the governor etc.).  These
> > type of conversational quirks really lead one to question the
> > psychological fitness of this individual.  Gilliam  espouses to us that
> > George’s internet behavior transcends the bounds of socalled "polite
> > society".    I would suggest that Gilliam review his own "deep air
> > loving" behavior before passing judgment on ours.
> >
> > Still, Gilliam is no doubt very stewed over the funereal discussions
> > regarding TDI.  We were expecting him to take a shot, but if this post
> > belongs to him (and I really can just guess) then I am led to conclude
> > that  maybe  TDI is getting ready to take a dive (nosedive).
> >
> > Waiting for the next shoe to drop,
> >
> >
> > Bill Mee
> >
> > Bill Royall wrote:
> > >
> > > It is sad.
> > >
> > > I guess that if teh crap that George Irvine and Company perpetrates on
> > > the Internet were not so venal and loathsome, it would be downright
> > > comical in its ineptitude.  His latest posting, once again cowardly
> sent
> > > as an anomymous message, says that Bret Gilliam was fired from his
> > > position as CEO of UWATEC.  Of course, his transparent duplicity is
> > > obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature.  None the less,
> > > Gilliam still rules at UWATEC much to Irvine's obvious torment.
> > >
> > > What's so funny is that Irvine makes the preposterous announcements
> only
> > > to have them immediately proven false to even the most casual observer.
> > > What kind of mutated world does he live in?  Why would anyone set
> > > himself up as such a fool?  You have to ask yourself when this moron
> has
> > > time to do anything except pound his keyboard (and obviously his pud
> > > considering his favorite expression is "stroke") posting various
> > > Internet garbage that everyone knows is completely made up.
> > >
> > > But his repetitious pattern of obvious lies and misinformation should
> be
> > > a case study for paranoid dysfunction.  There is really no secret at
> the
> > > source of his animus to Gilliam.  Ever since that scathing article he
> > > wrote in Deep Tech (Bravo!) exposed Irvine to be the scum that he
> really
> > > is, Gilliam has replaced Bill Stone, Jim King, Tom Mount, etc, as
> > > Irvine's target.  The list is endless.
> > >
> > > What's amusing to me is that Irvine really thinks that anyone takes him
> > > seriously or that anyone doesn't see through the absurd charade of his
> > > mis-attributed postings when he's too chicken to sign his own name.
> And
> > > the idea that millionaires like King and Gilliam might be affected by
> > > Irvine's rants only sadly reflected his continued distorted view of
> > > reality in an industry that has no time for him or his nutcase
> > > disciples.
> > >
> > > By the way, in spite of Irvine's protestations to the contrary, a
> source
> > > at Scubapro has confirmed that ALL ties to Irvine and the WKPP have
> been
> > > withdrawn.  Apparently the guys at the top of that company were stunned
> > > to learn of Irvine's antics and quietly sent the word down the ladder
> to
> > > cut off any association between Scubapro and Irvine.  An examination of
> > > Scubapro's website will show that the WKPP has been completely removed
> > > and one of their sales reps confirmed that absolutely no further
> > > sponsorship will be made.  So my guess is that we can now look forward
> > > to Irvine slamming Scubapro.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, real professionals like Jim Bowden and Ann Kristovich
> > > continue to be fully sponsored by Scubapro and UWATEC.  Is there a
> > > lesson to be learned here?
> > >
> > > Bill Royall
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