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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:36:51 -0400
From: "George M. Irvine III" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Jason Reese <jreese@en*.dt*.ha*.co*>
CC: Hans Petter Roverud <proverud@on*.no*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: trimix
Trimix does not neceassarily mena reduced oxygen. Where does this stuff
come from? - G

Jason Reese wrote:
> 
> 
> Trimix is generally never used shallower than 100-120 ft.  Depending on the
> mix you could die of asphyxia at shallow depths with trimix due to the
> reduced oxygen.
> 
>                                 -- Jason
> 
> At 09:20 PM 10/15/97 EDT, Hans Petter Roverud wrote:
> >Somebody stated: Technical trimix is a deep air
> >course. I believe he's right -- this course is
> >definitely bordering on the "deep air" that most
> >most of us agree to avoid.
> >
> >My deepest "technical nitrox" dive was a nitrox
> >23 dive to 160'. Of course, 23% oxygen is
> >a ridiculous mix since it's not worth the effort,
> >but the point was to practice making EAD calculations. The
> >purposes of "technical nitrox" are to learn gas
> >management, practice swimming with a heavy rig
> >and practice gas switches.
> >
> >My question to the board is, what do you think
> >would be the preferred depth limit? We definitely
> >do not need "level stoned" yet we do want a
> >realistic task loading, deco obligation included.
> >I would suggest 130' as a good target depth for
> >"technical nitrox" -- it's enough to provide a
> >realistic training scenario for future trimix divers, yet
> >narcosis is not a problem.
> >
> >However, as a physiologist I know that narcosis
> >can be measured at depths shallower than 100'. If
> >we demand no narcosis whatsoever, we really have
> >to pull back. What is a reasonable EAD for a
> >trimix dive? Ask some and the answer is 200' --
> >ask others and they go 100'. Ask me and you get
> >100' - 130'. I believe the "technical nitrox",
> >"extended range air" or whatever you call it
> >should have a target depth matching the EAD you
> >will prefer as a trimix diver. Learning the
> >toting, configuring, switching and balancing
> >the rig does not depend on going deep. Actually,
> >some of the best training may be to swim
> >sidemounts for an hour at 20'.
> >
> >I think most of the current philosophies are
> >based on giving students a taste of narcosis
> >and prove the need for trimix. I believe most
> >of today's trimix divers have thorough
> >knowledge of nitrogen narcosis from past
> >experience.
> >
> >Discussing this with some friends,
> >the opinion was voiced that past deep air experience
> >might be an advantage. I half-heartedly
> >disagree. Sure, it may be sort of an advantage
> >to have been there and know what to avoid, but I
> >don't think new trimix divers need to go
> >through the same phase of trial and error. In
> >retrospect, an advantage but no prerequisite, and
> >definitely not the direct way to learn trimix.
> >We need to build a record and gain experience
> >underwater doing what we're supposed to do. If
> >trimix is the tool of the trade, it makes a lot
> >more sense to log more trimix dives than it
> >does to practice deep (or even deepish) air
> >dives.
> >
> >My conclusion: 130' is a good target depth for
> >practicing and preparing for trimix. What do
> >you say?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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