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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:44:17 -0400
From: "George M. Irvine III" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Karen Flynn <kflynn1@er*.co*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Tech Diver or Tech Keyboard Operator
Karen, we are diving 20/24 for dives int he 120-150 range, and seeing a
huge difference. For the dives that I do in cave, where I have spent a
fortune in gear and incredible physical preparation and had to wait for
clear water ( waited six months this year to do one dive), I would have
to be a flaming tush to dive less than a clear mix: I am diving 8%
oxygen, 65% helium for the farthest points of the dive, and 11/55 for
the first mile. I am diving 19/33 deco gas up to 120 feet, and 35%
nitrox to 70 feet, 50% to 20 feet - no air anywhere in the dive. You do
it for real, you learn to do it right. If you think there is some
ability to dive deep on air, think again - relative to what I do, you
have never been diving, so when you criticize a guy who is trying to do
things properly, while taking the typical farm animal stupid misinformed
line of garbage taught by the TDI strokes ( I know the Organ Grinder
Monkey did not teach you this), you expose yourself as being part of the
problem rather than the solution. It is now believed that impairment is
effective at 60 feet, and in fact was suspected years ago. 

  Before there were heart/lung machines, they had operating theatres in
giant hyperbairc chambers filled with oxygen where they tried to repair
heart defects in minutes while stopping the infants heart and then
restarting it, hoping for no brain damage due to the oxygenated state.
What do you suppose the problems were, know-it-all? If it were YOU doing
the surgery, I am sure that you could do it to 115 feet, but based on
what you posted here, you would have to be breathing helium at negative
pressure to drive a car.

 I don't mind you people being stupid, because you can't help it or fix
it, but you might try being a little less ignorant. You might also try
geting a real email account , but then if you are posting things this
stupid all of the time, then a fake is much better. 

Karen Flynn wrote:
> 
> I have to admit that I've been watching the "Cobber's trimix" thread for the
past couple
> of days before posting.  It just got the better of me tonight and I had to say
> something.
> 
> First, Cobb admits to diving the "Eureka" off the NC/VA state border with
**mix** to
> determine the difference between a "deep air" buzz and trimix.  Swears he saw
some
> difference.  Come on now JIM...the Eureka's 116 fsw (35m) deep with an
occasional wash
> out to a max 118 fsw (35.9m).  NOBODY'S definition of deep air, or **deep
anything** is
> in that range.  Using Tx on a 116 fsw (35m) dive with a low **home brewed**
FN2 put you
> at an EAD of what....35 fsw (10.6m)???  How many of us out there notice the
"buzz"
> difference between 35 fsw and 116 fsw??  Really now!!
> 
> The average REAL mid-Atlantic Tx wreck dives (Monitor, E.M. Clark, St.
Augustine,etc)
> are lying in the 240 to 260 fsw (+/-75m) range and you should be on your 6th+
**deco
> stop** before you hit 35 fsw.  Matter of fact, you're first deco stop on
those dives
> would be below your max depth on the "Eureka".  So maybe you got the
"pre-requisite"
> number of gas switches in to make it a technical dive - but on the
Eureka...who's
> fooling who??  Who cares??
> 
> I guess I'm an idealistic gal and believe it takes more than equipment buying
savvy, an
> understanding of tech diving lingo, and a keyboard to make you a techncal
diver.  Seems
> to me you should be doing the dives.  Experience does matter.
> 
> Karen Flynn
> 
> PS: IANTD TX certified #560 ('95) and "grandfathered" out of the deep air
pre-requisite
> by Billy Deans due to level of ACTUAL Tx experience prior to the IANTD
course.  Now go
> ahead - flame away...
> 
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